From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,7684e927a2475d0 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: can one build commercial applications with latest gnat and other licenses related questions... References: <449660f0$0$11077$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> <1150717184.087134.177850@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1151050924.969806.284410@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <449d2a28$0$11075$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> <449d5c03$0$11074$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> From: M E Leypold Date: 24 Jun 2006 19:43:24 +0200 Message-ID: <8vmzc2h2kj.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Some cool user agent (SCUG) NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.72.218.241 X-Trace: news.arcor-ip.de 1151170643 88.72.218.241 (24 Jun 2006 19:37:23 +0200) X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor-ip.de Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!news2.volia.net!news.germany.com!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed.arcor-ip.de!news.arcor-ip.de!not-for-mail Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:4991 Date: 2006-06-24T19:43:24+02:00 List-Id: Georg Bauhaus writes: > > If, of course you think, that "free" in any sense only pairs well with > > "free" -- like your above arguments seems to indicate -- I'd suggest > > that futureapps.de (Your Employer / company?) would stop using free > > Linux and free Apache to server their business web pages thus unfairly > > and unfreely commercially profiting (boo, boo) from the free software. > > In fact, we did and do contribute to free software, incl. some money. > Both because it's fair, and because it helps our business. It also > tends to follow open standards. Obviously, we haven't contributed > in a big way. We also use GPL software where we can. We can't always, > you describe the situation as known to you. > But we don't complain that makers of Free Software disallow use of > their GPL tools and components for closed source software. If you > need that, pay them, if you can. I didn't do that, and I'd rather you took that back. If (which I find doubtful) tried to follow my arguments you'll find that (a) I never doubted AdaCores right to put Gnat GPL under GPL. (b) Considered it harmful to the community (that is the widespread use of Ada as alangauge in areas presently occupied by C/C++/Java) that there are perhaps (which is still usbject to research) no modern and commerically viable Bindings to graphical toolkit. (c) Answered to you morally founded argument that users of free tools should produce free software that The answer that I'm only "complain that makers of Free Software disallow use of their GPL tools (..)" goes a bit far. Apart from the fact that Gnat is based on GCC which doesn't have that usage restriction, I seriously doubt that anybody here has been aware of the GtkAda licensing change before. (which is the primary point in (b)). I'm not complaining: I did try to clarify a situation and was met (by you) with probably irrelevant and rather philosphical arguments about what should and what should not. I actively resent being then drawn into a discussion about the morality of profiting from free software and getting replies that start with "your business should" all the time. I didn't ask your advice on that. I've had a rather longish point to point answer to your last one, but after I found myself reiteratiing the same points again and again, decided that it is useless. Since I can't see your point in all of that, this discussion is ended from my side. Regards -- Markus