From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,63ceef1cf4561e32 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: mjsilva@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Customer balks at Ada -- any hope? Date: 2000/07/25 Message-ID: <8lklel$3c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 650628093 References: <8l01s4$gnr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <397CCF84.D54A1BC2@ix.netcom.com> X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.169.137.75 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 25 18:14:51 2000 GMT X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmjsilva Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) Date: 2000-07-25T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <397CCF84.D54A1BC2@ix.netcom.com>, Richard Riehle wrote: > > > mjsilva@my-deja.com wrote: > > > We're bidding on a custom industrial controller, and I've proposed to > > write the firmware in Ada. The powers-that-be here are satisfied with > > that, but the customer is afraid nobody will be around to maintain it. > > They're happier with C or C++, alas. Anybody have any good answers to > > their concern? > > > > This situation is so common that we should have some kind of canned > response. However, > there are a lot of people out there who will never be persuaded about the > virtues of Ada over > C and C++ regardless of what facts are presented. A bunch of misinformed > software developers > at a mid-west USAF base comes to mind. > > Someone once said, "He convinced against his will is of the same opinion > still." Your customer > will continue to be wary of Ada simply because of the widespread mythology > about it. > > A few things can be said that might make sense. An Ada program, > well-written will probably be > more readable ten years from now than any program in C or C++ by a > programmer who has never > seen any of the above mentioned languages. The Ada compiler you used for > the project will > still be around somewhere. If someone understands the nature of firmware, > that same someone > will have no difficulty understanding your Ada code unless you make it so > cryptic that it reads like > C or C++ just to be mischievous. > > That being said, I doubt you will have any success persuading the customer > that Ada is a better > choice. Such people make up their minds, like the previously mentioned > software developers, and > simply close their minds to anything different from what they have already > decided. You could write > the code in both languages and let them see the difference. Doubt that > will help, but it might be worth > a try. I don't sense they have an active animus towards Ada, but only a concern about maintenance. I've prepared a response that tries to point out the technical benefits of Ada and the relative unsuitability of C/C++ for high reliability software (I found quite a few quotes from DoD and NASA documents that help). I've also tried to emphasize that a decent embedded programmer should pick up maintenance Ada quickly and that, OTOH, most of the vast pool of C/C++ programmers are not necessarily qualified to do embedded programming. Anyway, I'll give it my best shot. The more I step back from C/C++ the more unsuitable it seems to me for creating reliable software (and the more important reliability becomes in my priorities). Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.