From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FROM_ADDR_WS, INVALID_MSGID,LOTS_OF_MONEY,REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,e01bd86884246855 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,fb1663c3ca80b502 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: "Joachim Durchholz" Subject: Re: Interresting thread in comp.lang.eiffel Date: 2000/07/13 Message-ID: <8kl1lu$2qk4k$1@ID-9852.news.cis.dfn.de>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 646004336 References: <8ipvnj$inc$1@wanadoo.fr> <8j67p8$afd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <395886DA.CCE008D2@deepthought.com.au> <3958B07B.18A5BB8C@acm.com> <395A0ECA.940560D1@acm.com> <8jd4bb$na7$1@toralf.uib.no> <8jfabb$1d8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8jt4i0$18ec7$1@ID-9852.news.cis.dfn.de> <8k5a31$1p61t$1@ID-9852.news.cis.dfn.de> <8k8p8m$1upjk$1@ID-9852.news.cis.dfn.de> <0cS95.9944$7%3.667682@news.flash.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 963512830 2969748 195.190.10.210 (16 [9852]) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Reply-To: "Joachim Durchholz" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel Date: 2000-07-13T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Ken Garlington wrote: > "Joachim Durchholz" wrote: > > Ken, you're getting unfair. > > When you're talking about killing people, or destroying millions of > dollars worth of property, there is no such thing as "unfair." This is bullshit. Sorry if I sound harsh, but what you're writing here is totally unwarranted. Of course it's important to get such systems right; not incidentally, the Meyer report uses the term "$500 million dollar mistake" to get the relevance of the topic properly outlined. But I haven't seen anybody deny this point, so this aspect (while important) is not the topic of this debate. What we're discussing here is whether DbC would have helped or not, how DbC works at all, and what the cost of using DbC would have been. I don't see how waving with ethical or financial implications helps us to find out any of these points. -Joachim -- This is not an official statement from my employer or from NICE. Reply-to address changed to discourage unsolicited advertisements.