From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 5b1e799cdb,3ef3e78eacf6f938 X-Google-Attributes: gid5b1e799cdb,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!d15g2000prc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Isaac Gouy Newsgroups: comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.c++,comp.programming Subject: Re: Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3? Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <8d2fb978-19d3-46fb-baf3-4e82b5a96ac9@d15g2000prc.googlegroups.com> References: <2009a75f-63e7-485e-9d9f-955e456578ed@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <0bdf3c02-0565-40e2-95cc-c7f5eb546313@2g2000prl.googlegroups.com> <7xmy6mzy0q.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> <4a714308$0$30229$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> <48679a94-4ce4-422e-8656-56bb682b08c0@d15g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <4a71c5f0$0$31880$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.102.15.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1248976773 2346 127.0.0.1 (30 Jul 2009 17:59:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: d15g2000prc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.102.15.45; posting-account=8hLxJgkAAAAL8xHLJ0ljKM_bUSuq3O6V User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.12) Gecko/2009070811 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.scheme:6219 comp.lang.ada:7461 comp.lang.functional:2563 comp.lang.c++:48697 comp.programming:12170 Date: 2009-07-30T10:59:33-07:00 List-Id: On Jul 30, 9:10=A0am, Georg Bauhaus wrote: -snip- > Conclusions > (so far, if the above can be reproduced): > > A fair bit of Ada's disadvantage is remedied by using > Inline; another drag is Text_IO which is indeed slow. > Real world needs might (and will) consider I/O > routines that use OS functions, much like C on Unix does, > more or less. > > The seemingly shaky results (if confirmed) also let me > think that without constant attention, the Shootout > can give a wrong impression (for any language :). "shaky results"? Didn't you confirm those results yourself? Sure we might hope a different program would give better results, and instructions for contributing better programs are given in the FAQ. -snip- > In the overall rating, failing programs or missing programs > used to add to where a language was rated IIRC? Not true for the last several years.