From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, MSGID_RANDY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,c2f62556e56c9683 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Ted Dennison Subject: Re: 'with'ing and 'use'ing Date: 2000/03/07 Message-ID: <8a3959$qmg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 594292314 References: <38BC2EB3.2639372B@acm.org> <89l6aj$s5e$1@wanadoo.fr> <1e6xw1b.crkgd5nhvbzuN%claveman@inetworld.net> <8a0hio$qos$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8a1egu$h91$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.48.27.130 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 07 16:01:49 2000 GMT X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtedennison Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Date: 2000-03-07T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <8a1egu$h91$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Robert Dewar wrote: > In article <8a0hio$qos$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > Ted Dennison wrote: > > It seems to me that the whole argument hinged on the > > availability of tools to find declarations automaticly. > > But certainly that is a reasonable expectation in any > decent Ada technology these days. I'm afraid I haven't used Gnat's xref. So perhaps in a maintenance phase of an application environemnt that uses Gnat it is. But its *not* a reasonable expectation if: o It depends on a compiler and you are in a phase where the whole system is not yet compiling. o Someone might ever need to read the source code without benifit of the tools. (Eg: printouts, site copies, etc.) o Your system is large enough that it takes more than a couple of seconds to gather this information (DEC's SCA had this problem. I could usually figure it out myself with SEARCH before SCA came back with the answer). The first is a phase that every program goes through. I would claim that the other situations are quite common in the industry. I would further claim that, given this fact, it is improper to choose a naming convention for a reusable package that might be used by someone in one of the above situations, that looks stupid with the package name on the front when there is a convention available that will not look stupid under either either usage. -- T.E.D. http://www.telepath.com/~dennison/Ted/TED.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.