From: Ludovic Brenta <ludovic@ludovic-brenta.org>
Subject: Re: Ada vs Eiffel - Ada programmer approach
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:55:17 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2009-06-04T00:55:17-07:00 [thread overview]
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On Jun 4, 9:30 am, Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
<yannick_duch...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> On 26 mai, 15:37, Ludovic Brenta <ludo...@ludovic-brenta.org> wrote:
>
> > [...] Ada's pragma Assert provides what I
> > need in these (rare) cases because I can put such pragmas in the
> > middle of a subprogram, for example.
>
> > --
> > Ludovic Brenta.
>
> This is not the same as Eiffel assertions. Eiffel's assertions are
> aware of the invokation contexte. Let say you have a class C and a
> method M and the class C has an invariant I. Then, if a client invoks
> M, the invariant will be checked before M returns. That's Ok, this is
> the same as with "in code assertions". But if M is invoked by anoher
> method of the class, i.e. as an implementation method (this is very
> common to use a public method for internal purpose), you will have
> this : the client of C invok a method M2 which in turn will invok M
> (the client may or may not know about it). In this context, the class
> invariant will obviously be checked before returning from M2, but *it
> will not be check before return from M*.
>
> That is beceause M is allowed to left the class invariant in an
> illegal state, as it may be the sole responsability of M2.
>
> So, Eiffel's assertions are not the same as "in code assertions".
> Eiffel's assertions are well formalized.
I think my point was precisely that Ada assertions were different from
Eiffel's. I like the fact that, in Ada, I can place assertions in the
middle of a complex subprogram; this is not possible Eiffel, as you
aptly described. I agree that Eiffel's assertions are well-defined but
my argument is that they are less useful and more diffucult to use in
practice than the beauty of the design suggests.
--
Ludovic Brenta.
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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-24 8:39 Ada vs Eiffel - Ada programmer approach Tomek Walkuski
2009-05-24 11:49 ` anon
2009-05-24 12:26 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-24 12:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-24 16:31 ` Pascal Obry
2009-05-25 16:32 ` Rugxulo
2009-05-26 13:37 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-05-26 14:51 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-05-26 17:26 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-26 17:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-05-26 17:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-26 19:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-05-26 20:14 ` Pascal Obry
2009-05-26 20:25 ` Pascal Obry
2009-05-26 21:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-05-26 18:23 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-05-26 15:07 ` Tim Rowe
2009-05-26 16:37 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-28 8:37 ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-06-01 16:22 ` Tim Rowe
2009-06-04 7:35 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04 9:46 ` Martin
2009-06-04 12:16 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04 9:56 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-06-16 6:58 ` ardjussi
2009-06-16 17:22 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-05-26 18:21 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-05-26 18:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-04 7:39 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04 9:02 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-04 9:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-04 12:14 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04 14:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-04 16:45 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-06-04 7:30 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04 7:55 ` Ludovic Brenta [this message]
2009-06-04 8:45 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-04 9:03 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-04 13:25 ` Robert A Duff
2009-06-04 13:39 ` Martin
2009-06-04 13:08 ` stefan-lucks
2009-06-08 12:41 ` Samuel Tardieu
2009-06-08 19:37 ` Robert A Duff
2009-06-08 22:52 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-06-09 7:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-10 6:55 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-10 6:58 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-10 11:10 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-04 7:04 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04 6:04 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-06 14:27 ` Marco
2009-06-06 15:37 ` Tomek Wałkuski
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