From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 111d6b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid111d6b,public X-Google-Thread: 10d15b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d15b,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,8775b19e3c68a5dc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1094ba,public From: fred@genesis.demon.co.uk (Lawrence Kirby) Subject: Re: Which language pays most 17457 -- C++ vs. Java? Date: 1997/12/22 Message-ID: <882757510snz@genesis.demon.co.uk>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 309220682 References: <67et6o$dql@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> X-Mail2News-User: fred@genesis.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: genesis.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 882760489 19676 fred genesis.demon.co.uk Organization: none Reply-To: fred@genesis.demon.co.uk Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.fortran,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-12-22T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <67et6o$dql@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> jamesgiles@worldnet.att.net "James Giles" writes: > >steve wrote in message <34994C79.504D2881@seasoned-software.com>... >> >> >>James Giles wrote: >... >>> There's no excuse for this attitude >>> today - except that the vendors of systems have noticed that >>> UNIX never failed in popularity because of these weaknesses. >>> Bill Gates owes a lot to UNIX, if nothing else: for the pervasiveness >>> of the attitude that the system *needn't* be secure, robust, and >>> efficient. >> >>And windows with its DLLS is? What of the security problems in IE4? ... > >Exactly what I said. Bill Gates (Slick Willie West) has learned his >lessons well. He'd never have got away with it if UNIX hadn't set the >stage. The "stage" at the time for the development of DOS was CP/M. Windows was an attempt to counter the Mac. NT is greatly influenced by VMS. Unix has very little relevance here. > He observed that people's reaction to problems with UNIX >was not to demand fixes, but to hire 'systems administrators' and >'programmer analysts' to carry on continued maintenence. Please state your sources. > He just >figured to build-in the same complexities and flaws in his own >systems, and then corner the market on maintenence and upgrades. >To have surpassed UNIX in this regard is no surprise, give that >the lesson was clearly understood. Whether you believe it is adequate or not Unix has a security system built in, it is a significant issue in the OS. If BG learnt anything from Unix it would have been that security is an issue. Clearly he didn't. I apologise for getting drawn into this troll. >If a *truly* robust, secure, and efficient system were available, most >of those with the job titles I mentioned above (and a lot of others) >would be out of work. The ratio of installed systems to system >maintenence personel should be about the same as the ratio >of vehicles on the road to the number of auto mechanics: 500 to >1000 (or higher). What systems are you aware of that have this sort of ratio (and I mean systems that service user applications, not things like embedded systems)? When security becomes a burden to the users it becomes counter-productive. -- ----------------------------------------- Lawrence Kirby | fred@genesis.demon.co.uk Wilts, England | 70734.126@compuserve.com -----------------------------------------