From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-03 14:23:39 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!news.worldonline.be!not-for-mail From: Ludovic Brenta Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Date: 04 Apr 2004 00:26:05 +0200 Organization: Worldonline Belgium Sender: lbrenta@deuteronomy Message-ID: <87vfkgy9z6.fsf@insalien.org> References: <20040206174017.7E84F4C4114@lovelace.ada-france.org> <54759e7e.0402071124.322ea376@posting.google.com> <87r7v5zao0.fsf@insalien.org> <6803831.c4KqqVc08g@linux1.krischik.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 83-134-242-121.lindthout.goplus.fastdsl.tiscali.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.worldonline.be 1081031018 4851 83.134.242.121 (3 Apr 2004 22:23:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldonline.be NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:23:38 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:6732 Date: 2004-04-04T00:26:05+02:00 List-Id: Martin Krischik writes: > Ludovic Brenta wrote: > > > David Starner writes: > >> On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:18:42 -0500, Beth Bruzan wrote: > >> > However, with proper design > >> > and implementation, Ada does not need garbage collection, > >> > >> And with proper design and implementation, C does not need bounds > >> checking. If your allocation and deallocation is trivial, you don't > >> need garbage collection; but if you look at something like GCC, they > >> implemented garbage collection in C because it was too much work to > >> keep track of the allocations. I have no doubt they would have done > >> the same thing in Ada. > > > > This turned out not to work that well; there have been large > > performance and memory footprint concerns in GCC because of GC. Linus > > Torvalds recommends reference counting as a better, more predictable > > and more efficient mechanism. > > True, but for reference counting everybody has to play by the rules. Is this not a strength rather than a weakness? Garbage collectors encourage sloppy programming. I have seen this phenomenon in action. -- Ludovic Brenta.