From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Rubin Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Weakness of Ada is expensive / security / etc. ? Anything else? Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 11:34:04 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: <87si8iwueb.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> References: <084c0dc7-ae74-4cb8-b1fe-78f42de94291@googlegroups.com> <87pp3m91be.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <871tg2yb7m.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <87lhea90lr.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <87wpxuwvjz.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <87h9oy8z5q.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="d4217d68945dedf510265c644f2a7daa"; logging-data="23643"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/m5Ml92ILgK/roKoOx6aAS" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:g6f7patHKc+omSpjYueoGHuWcbk= sha1:c8+Ml3bQfn9kPb2/8a/WntYCfik= Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:26913 Date: 2015-07-20T11:34:04-07:00 List-Id: Florian Weimer writes: >> Is that basically the FOSS segment of GNAT, with some support added? > Yes, as far as I can see, it's the same bits you get as part of Red > Hat Enterpise Linux (and CentOS is built from pretty much the same > sources). It's based on the FSF version, so you get the GNAT run time > exception. Fair enough, though that level of support doesn't seem that useful (downloading FSF GNAT to my laptop and getting it working wasn't difficult). I guess GPL SPARK is not included. > Production support (after deployment) is separate, and Red Hat will > support deployment on Red Hat Enterprise Linux only, I assume. I wonder if anyone is using it for real. > So this is certainly not an option for small-device embedded > development, or high-assurance software. But for those markets, > AdaCore's pricing is not unreasonable, I think. The number I heard was at least 10x higher than single-seat licenses of competing C/C++ and Forth products that I know of. It does come with 5 seats minimum, but that's not of much use to a solo developer. I also don't know how much more you have to pay for the add-on tools that make the product more interesting (SPARK Pro, CodePeer, etc.) I'm not exactly criticizing AdaCore since they're probably doing the right thing for their target market (aerospace companies, high-dollar critical systems, etc). But it seems to leave an unfilled need for the low-budget embedded developer who wants a better language than C.