From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,42490cad53ee37fa X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!not-for-mail From: svaa@ciberpiula.net (svaa) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: NOACE- End of the road for Ada? Date: 13 Mar 2005 04:44:28 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <87f5a614.0503130444.66e658e4@posting.google.com> References: <87f5a614.0503121108.5b245eaf@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.82.73.116 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110717869 22944 127.0.0.1 (13 Mar 2005 12:44:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9309 Date: 2005-03-13T04:44:28-08:00 List-Id: Stephen Leake wrote in message news:... Denying reality is not a way to solve problems > > AdaCore is also growing. > So borland does, so sun does, so C++ does, so Java does, so others do. The fact that AdaCore is growing may only mean that AdaCore is collecting all potential Ada custumers that doesn't have any other company. Perhaps AdaCore is growing not because a new Ada golden age, but at expenses of companies that doesn't work with Ada anymore. The market of Ada is so small the there is only room for a few companies. When a company stops developing with Ada, the rest of companies, that still use Ada, grow a little. > > You shouldn't need to read this article to realice that Ada is almost > > irrelevant, and that's the trend. > > Hmm. Perhaps _you_ need to read some _other_ articles :). > > > Why? How Ada has reach that point of irrelevance? what can be done to > > change the trend? > > Pay attention to what's really going on. You live in bubble. You should read another articles too. Not only those that tell that Ada is lingering, but those about Java, about C++, about C, about PHP about Perl, about Ruby, about pyton... This look like Esperanto. I played a little with Esperanto. Thanks to internet Esperanto is growing. So what?. If you live inside esperanto movement, the Esperanto has a lot of associations, literature etc. You see esperanto everywhere, and you conclude that esperanto is quite alive. If you look esperanto from outside, esperanto is irrelevant. If you program most of time with Ada, work on a company/organization that works with Ada, you read articles that support Ada, you go to conferences about Ada, accept good news about Ada, but filter bad news about Ada. You will conclude that Ada is quite alive. If you look Ada from outside, you see that Ada is lingering, that it's difficult to find a job for Ada, and if you find it, 99% will be to support legacy systems, and probably until they move to another language. You can find a thousand tools and libraries for any language and choose. For Ada you must go to half a dozen sites/companies and take what you find there. NOACE movement is a good show of what's going on related to Ada. For each new project in Ada with a big hype in Ada related conferences, congresses, and websites, you can find 100 projects that are giving up Ada silently. In demography, more deaths than births is called negative growth.