From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,FREEMAIL_FROM, INVALID_MSGID,REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 107d55,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid107d55,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: BruceMount@aol.com Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Date: 1997/08/26 Message-ID: <872652486.17137@dejanews.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 268591370 References: <34023FC9.59E2B600@eiffel.com> X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (Compatible; AOL-IWENG 3.0; Win16) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 152.163.197.218 (ww-tz02.proxy.aol.com) proxy [1.0 ww-tz02.proxy.aol.com:915 (AOL TurboWeb/3.3.2)] Organization: Deja News Posting Service X-Authenticated-Sender: BruceMount@aol.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 27 03:28:06 1997 GMT Reply-To: BruceMount@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-08-26T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Brett: >>From: "Brett J. Stonier" >>What's fascinating to *me* is how much time and energy Eiffel proponents >>spend attacking Java, instead of being content to use and offer this >>(supposedly) superior language that, if it is truely so much better, >>should win out in the end. As much as I wish it were true, the "better mousetrap" does NOT frequently win in the marketplace and I find it surprising that people still think it does. VHS out-marketed the technically superior Betamax. Mac were technically superior to Windows for years and lost the marketing wars. Objective-C is better than C++ and it lost the marketing wars. >>Is this "runner-up syndrome" (ala Burger King attacking McDonald's.... ...another good example. McDonalds is the unquestioned market leader. Does that mean the best food "won out"? I am particularly suspicious of anything that is totally hyped so that it is being sold as the cure-all. I get especially irritated when Sun (the proprietary owner of Java) run national ads saying "Java is open". No, Java is not an evil language. It has many improvements over C++. No, Eiffel is not a cure-all language either. However, I do feel that the Java hype machine has created a tidal wave out of very little water. As someone that has studied Marketing I can't help but be impressed, just as I'm impressed by the marketing prowess of Microsoft. But as a life-long technical person I can't help buy say "the inferior product is winning......again." Marketing, it seems, is a much stronger force than technical reasoning. How sad. --Bruce BruceMount@aol.com -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet