From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,2acf1f37f6bdc5f2 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.scarlet.biz!news.scarlet.biz.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:11:43 -0500 From: Ludovic Brenta Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Licences References: <1129303351.767662.191580@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <6079939.ppPQ0zCOeG@linux1.krischik.com> <87ll0tyc9v.fsf@code-hal.de> <2251840.aG0VlI3NOc@linux1.krischik.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:13:04 +0200 Message-ID: <871x2lfvvj.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:OXmZQTdcqDuRhJiB8sFUrgJdDfo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 83.134.245.184 X-Trace: sv3-GeQ/NAWxiCEB90KNu4r+bY7qB1rGimPnuXqaanmvH+7MnrOVXapVzJxhQyTMBu3c0+9kmlWgsdtB2zn!vn+GSdRh7HyW2kAT1oZPuLQw5VmgpfMpLBtz3oLYv05ZXHwDIB0GR+Nmd4RvOPSDOcocZtuzT84= X-Complaints-To: abuse@scarlet.be X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@scarlet.biz X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:5723 Date: 2005-10-16T15:13:04+02:00 List-Id: Martin Krischik writes: > Michael Bode wrote: > >> Martin Krischik writes: >> >>> I really consider a dual licence now making the GMGPL version only >>> available to those who made a suitable donation to the >>> projects. Even if it's only €5,-- - at least it shows good will. >> >> Why not charge 14000€ per year? > > Because I am not greedy - I just despise freeloading. > >>> In only thing I would wish for from AdaCore is a zero seat offer - >>> just a gnat tracker account with download (GMGPL) option but >>> without priority >> >> I don't think that's going to happen. I've got a quote from them >> for GNAT Windows, Linux and GtkAda. Minimum cost is 28000€ per >> year. When I asked for version more in the range of Microsoft's >> offerings they told me their support is better. When I answered I >> believe that but I would be completely happy with the kind of >> support that GNAT GPL receives, I've got no answer. > > I think that is the real problem here. When I talked with AdaCore > they said that cheaper offers made no sense and there was the free > version for that. Problem now is that the free version is GPL and > the gap between the free version and PRO version has deepened - > while what we actually need a smaller gap between them. I agree with Martin. Personally, I think that this gap can be filled by "the community", provided enough people spend a little time to report problems, fix a couple of bugs that are particularly annoying to them, and contribute their fix to "the community". This way, all fixes, as well as advice on workarounds and whatnot, can be shared and benefit everyone - including AdaCore, who eventually will receive the fixes. I have solid proof [1] that this works in practice. A user of GPS in Debian reported a problem, but I was unable to solve it myself. I filed a bug in the Debian bug tracking system, and several other people I'd never heard about stepped up and did solve the problem. Then I submitted the fix back to AdaCore, and the fix is now in GPS 3.0 for everyone to enjoy. [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=297980 The moral of the story is this: if you find a bug in GNAT, report it. Every bug report is a contribution to "the community". If you have the time and skills to research the bug and fix it, this is better and is another contribution to "the community". I too despise freeloaders, but a freeloader who spends the time and effort to report a bug in a detailed manner is no longer a freeloader to me. -- Ludovic Brenta.