From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_DATE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!NOSC-TECR.ARPA!CONTR47 From: CONTR47@NOSC-TECR.ARPA Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Ada as a Successor to COBOL Message-ID: <8708251317.AA19977@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Tue, 25-Aug-87 08:56:52 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8708251317.AA19977 Posted: Tue Aug 25 08:56:52 1987 Date-Received: Wed, 26-Aug-87 06:07:31 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet List-Id: Let me say all I know about this subject (this wouldn't take long). 1. I was contacted by several large DoD COBOL shops near Wash DC regarding Ada training so I visited one of them one day. I learned that their General had directed that Ada be used in place of COBOL and naturally the subject of Ada training came up. I was told that many of the "COBOL Programmers" performed maintenance only and had never written an original program. After grasping the enormity of the problem I can understand this. I have fixed many cars bt have never built one. It seemed to me that they need an Ada system which included CICS and probably many other things that I don't understand. 2. I stated that I could teach Ada but could not begin to teach them how to apply it to their system problem and also I suspected that huge pieces (e.g.:CICS) were missing from the Ada system. They said that Alsys was conducting an experimental course to learn how much Ada could be taught to the COBOL people. I don't know how this turned out. 3. I determined that I could teach the people generics, tasking abstraction etc. given enough time. I suspected that I might have to preceed the Ada course with one semester of Computer Science. I decided to stick to my realtime Ada knitting and leave the COBOL to Ada transition to those who understand the system problem. It is my impression that Dr. Robert Dewar of NYU is an expert in both COBOL and Ada and could probably provide language guidance. However in addition system knowledge is needed (he may have that also). 4. A friend of mine taught 2 weeks of Ada to COBOL people at a military base and at the end of 2 weeks they didn't yet understand the difference between an object and a type. I'm not putting anyone down, just pointing out that pre-Ada training may be necessary. --- To develop a successful product, system etc: step 1 - Understand the Customers Problem -- regards, sam harbaugh ---------------------