From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, MSGID_RANDY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,2e91a32061bde112 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Robert Dewar Subject: Re: JAVA and ADA JGNAT Date: 2000/01/25 Message-ID: <86la8r$519$1@nnrp1.deja.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 577527102 References: <862sv5$sug$1@pirates.Armstrong.EDU> <862t3o$9aa1@news.cis.okstate.edu> <86k8r6$alp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <86kpbu$aik1@news.cis.okstate.edu> X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.232.38.14 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jan 25 23:06:06 2000 GMT X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrobert_dewar Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (OS/2; I) Date: 2000-01-25T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <86kpbu$aik1@news.cis.okstate.edu>, dstarner98@aasaa.ofe.org wrote: > While ACT's lack of openness compared to those projects > means a beta release wouldn't help ACT as much as it does > Linus and the GCC team, I can't see why it would hurt more > then it does there. Actually I think part of what goes on here is that ACT is *more* open than a lot of the Linux and GCC development. Take GCC, it is no secret that Cygnus does a LOT of GCC development that is closely held before being made public and often closely held for a long time. The same is true of course for Linux developments at Redhat. The difference is that we are quite open about the general status of our internal developments, and we share roadmaps. It's never helpful to have testing jump too far ahead of development. In the case of JGNAT, the appropriate stage for the last couple of months has been to have a selected small number of beta testers kicking the tires. The next step will be a general beta release, that corresponds to the sort of thing David Starner is talking about. Note that David has absolutely zero knowledge of the state of JGNAT right now, so he is hardly in a position to make a judgment on the right point at which to start general beta testing. If David is saying that ALL developments should be made completely open day by day, all I can say is that I don't know of many open source or free software development projects that work that way, with the possible exception of GNOME (and a number of small scale projects). I definitely think that would not be helpful to GNAT users. Yes, it might be fun for a few enthusiasts and hobbyists, but the confusion of having lots and lots of versions of GNAT around, most of them being works in progress that were non-functional would not in our judgment be helpful to the general Ada community, and that is our primary constituency as far as the public release goes. We certainly are NOT waiting until JGNAT is 100% finished and validated and bug free etc. Indeed the coming public release will very definitely still be a beta version as far as we are concerned. Robert Dewar Ada Core Technologies Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.