From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,9fda87b69cc476dd X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Received: by 10.14.204.3 with SMTP id g3mr13901083eeo.7.1350352606465; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Path: q11ni134324915wiw.1!nntp.google.com!feeder2.cambriumusenet.nl!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feeder3.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!216.196.110.144.MISMATCH!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.panservice.it!feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.musoftware.de!wum.musoftware.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Mart van de Wege Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Do really Ada give you a camel when you expected a horse? Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 06:21:55 +0200 Message-ID: <86ehl9oaos.fsf@gaheris.avalon.lan> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: individual.net HK78jN6X4jlg+TxAGlseLQZ7S6V5Fgz2gx7RAR8PKGpFxDiOrv X-Orig-Path: gaheris.avalon.lan!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:Gfqi0zk7/NoBTCX/elsCx5qfvVs= sha1:mbzB5Q97fhysSzf7JO7mGDF8v2E= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (gnu/linux) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 2012-10-08T06:21:55+02:00 List-Id: "Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)" writes: > After the “bloated language”, “military language” and others funny > criticisms, here is the “committee language” criticism: > > Quoted from a Lua history paper, http://www.lua.org/history.html > > There is an old joke that says that "a camel is a horse > designed by a committee". Among programming-language people, > this joke is almost as popular as the legend about programming > languages designed by committees. This legend is supported by > languages like Algol 68, PL/I, and Ada, all designed by > committees, which did not fulfill the expectations of their > sponsors. > > Enjoy a good laugh. A good laugh indeed. Obviously written by someone who grew up in the PC era. I grew up in the 8-bit era, and I dabbled in lots of programming languages, and I know that even in the early 80s Algol was a well-respected language; mostly because it inspired Pascal, but my sources spoke highly of the regard it held as one of the first Structured Programming languages. I never read much PL/I critiques that emphasised 'design by committee'. In fact, the common criticism was more that it tried to include everything but the kitchen sink. As for Ada, I still dabble in it (I wrote a few Nagios plugins in it), and I love it for its elegance. It is certainly, in terms of consistency and elegance, comparable to one-man designs such as Forth or Python. Mart -- "We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes." --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.