From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,INVALID_DATE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!ucbvax!hi-multics.arpa!Minear From: Minear@HI-MULTICS.ARPA Newsgroups: net.lang.ada Subject: BS .... Message-ID: <860407143510.373006@HI-MULTICS.ARPA> Date: Mon, 7-Apr-86 09:35:00 EST Article-I.D.: HI-MULTI.860407143510.373006 Posted: Mon Apr 7 09:35:00 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 9-Apr-86 23:04:06 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet List-Id: In a recent entry David made the following remark: If they just make the contractors use the few people who are productive, instead of the thousands of mostly brain dead bodies as is typically done, then a very large savings would be realized. Force people to use a poor technology for standards sake, ... I find it rather difficult but I have to admit that there is a fair amount of turth to what he says. But he is overlooking an awful lot of reality in not being able to recognize that the state of the practice at present is not ready to support his ideal. The long term goal of software engineering research has got to be to put an end to the current "solve it with an army of ants" approach that we use to day, and get to the point were the application area specialist has at hand the facilities to build the solutions with out the aid of an army of software engineers. The short term reality however is that we have to make the people we have more effective. This means getting them to use the best tools available for the tasks at hand. In this context I can not accept the conclusion that Ada, and it's associated developments in software engineering are bad. The expressive power of Ada is fare better than what most software practitioners have to use today. And though mandating change is not generally a good thing to do, my view of the "real world" says that that is about the most effective way to get us off of dead center on this issue. The momentum is clearly towards no change in the general populace. And unfortunatly we don't have enough of "the few that are productive" with the knowledge of the application area problems and the sophisticated tools required to turn the whole array of problems to be solved over to them alone. Spence Minear