From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,FROM_NO_USER, INVALID_DATE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!ucbvax!info-ada From: @USC-ISIF.ARPA, @USC-ECLB.ARPA:info-ada-request@usc-eclb Newsgroups: net.lang.ada Subject: (none) Message-ID: <8512052054.AA10149@ucbvax.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 5-Dec-85 15:54:53 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8512052054.AA10149 Posted: Thu Dec 5 15:54:53 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 7-Dec-85 03:20:39 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet List-Id: *archive.current radc-tops20 ada hel-ace blyskal wisc-crys pb brl-bmd genesis wisc-rsch jerome ucla-cs amiram jpl-vlsi august larry jplanderson ibm-sj alpern oslo-vax info-ada nosc-f4 bboard su-sierra bryan haberler rosenblum pack mendal nrl-aic bbd-info-ada nosc ccvax.jackie elmer.jensen hobler ccvax.dukelow jacoby CCVAX.colborn CCVAX.tokoro CCVAX.hesser CCVAX.johnd sdcsvax!bill sdcsvax!telesoft!info-ada ari-hq1 charlie ddn1 dca-pgs navtelcom ucla-locus ada-fans sri-kl denny mercado sarvela BillW Mathis mitre-bedford gte gah munck mcc Info-Ada bcr pjl johnm nosc-tecr contr22 CONTR23 contr04 ll-vlsi glenn dec-marlboro kania rehill office-2 kirk.tym sri-unix richard lll-mfe info-ada%lll COLBORN%SAV su-sushi samuel PACK logicon ada cit-vax engvax!info-ada aids-unix info-ada rand-relay info-ada.arizona brl info-ada red.rutgers.edu info-ada-bboard drea-xx info-ada amsaa jer tl-20b info-ada decwrl scherrer%gvaic3.dec seki%tkov60.dec oregon-grad info-ada darcom-hq ada denver info-ada ford-wdl1 ada gunter-adam porter DSDC-SDT2 hi-multics cornhill gailly.ada stachour vaughanw kamrad.cst hkberg.cscswtec eachus.nmlsppt hi-info-ada lanl post-info-ada usc-isi isi-info-ada DRUFFEL GOODENOUGH anl-mcs dritz usc-isid inco nbs-vms kuhn zelkowitz mit-oz egk pao simtel20 rmathias RCONN NRL-CSS info-ada NYU INFO_ADA XEROX "Info-Ada^.x" bbn-clxx mdean RUTGERS MCGRATH S1-A JMB SU-AI REP DCL sri-csl bboard-info-ada Berkeley rhc%UCBJADE.CC trwrb!trwspp!hal trwrb!trwspp!colbert trwrb!trwspp!spp1!alden Maryland ada-bbd RADC-MULTICS Karlovic Gilyeat cornell infoada USC-ECL LOCAL-INFO-ADA USC-ECLB HFISCHER USC-ISIE BERTAPELLE NSCHNEIDEWIND DKREBILL SAC.8AFDPI SAC.ADDA USC-ISIB HOLG sri-spam trudy USC-ISIA DEVCTR BBNA RSchaaf sri-nic info-ada-nic UTAH-20 INFO-ADA WASHINGTON DMJ Sloan CISL Info-ADA%pco DCA-EMS Cleaveland wsmr01 hhamilto lll-tis-b info-ada-news ECLB BSCHAAR eberard cmu-cs-g trk harvard info-ada-incoming seismo vrdxhq!info-ada ucbdali yee eglin-vax harbaughs SRI-AI GOHEEN nscw-wo jcavall ACC BBOARD.ADA nprdc info-ada-nprdc Ames-VMSB welch udel dist-info-ada mitre-gateway anderson edwards-2060 info-ada pica-lca kkramer nswc-wo cottrell isia mclaughlinjr topaz princeton!siemens!emery cmu-cs-pt cmu-info-ada wpafb-afita rgross lawlis pnagarse richard Received: FROM USC-ECLB.ARPA BY USC-ISIF.ARPA WITH TCP ; 5 Dec 85 11:43:56 PST Received: from UCBVAX.BERKELEY.EDU by USC-ECLB.ARPA; Thu 5 Dec 85 11:41:38-PST Received: by ucbvax.berkeley.edu (5.31/1.7) id AA06799; Thu, 5 Dec 85 10:20:23 PST Date: 5 Dec 85 16:08:22 GMT From: ucdavis!lll-crg!gymble!beth@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Beth Katz) Organization: U of Maryland, Laboratory for Parallel Computation, C.P., MD Subject: Re: Ada Professionalism Document Message-Id: <460@gymble.UUCP> References: <8511291449.AA03140@ucbvax.berkeley.edu>, <275@opus.UUCP> Sender: usenet@ucbvax.berkeley.edu Errors-To: To: info-ada@usc-eclb.arpa I'm not sure I want to jump into this fray, but I'm very much pro-Ada and anti-"Ada Professionalism Document". First of all, as others have mentioned, people using the Ada language should not have a separate code of ethics. I have difficulties with the professionalism movement alone. What you consider important for a software professional may be contrary to what I feel is important. Focus on ethics and certification if you must, but leave Ada and SIGAda alone. Secondly, we just don't know how Ada *should* be used. We don't have enough experience with it. We don't know which design methodologies are appropriate for particular applications. We don't know how to train people to use Ada as a software engineering language and really use the appropriate concepts that are supported by Ada. Various people in research, government, and industry are looking at these questions. Until we really know what is happening with Ada use, please don't try to "certify Ada software personnel." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Arpa: beth@mimsy.umd.edu Elizabeth E. Katz UUCP: ...!seismo!umcp-cs!beth Dept. of Computer Science CSnet: beth@umcp-cs University of Maryland Of course these opinions are my own. Valid data supporting conflicting views readily received and discussed. I'd love to discuss how you are using and measuring your use of Ada.