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>*<info-ada>archive.current
>radc-tops20
>ada
>hel-ace
>blyskal
>wisc-crys
>pb
>brl-bmd
>genesis
>wisc-rsch
>jerome
>ucla-cs
>amiram
>jpl-vlsi
>august
>larry
>jplanderson
>ibm-sj
>alpern
>oslo-vax
>info-ada
>nosc-f4
>bboard
>su-sierra
>bryan
>haberler
>rosenblum
>pack
>mendal
>nrl-aic
>bbd-info-ada
>nosc
>ccvax.jackie
>elmer.jensen
>hobler
>ccvax.dukelow
>jacoby
>CCVAX.colborn
>CCVAX.tokoro
>CCVAX.hesser
>CCVAX.johnd
>sdcsvax!bill
>sdcsvax!telesoft!info-ada
>ari-hq1
>charlie
>ddn1
>dca-pgs
>navtelcom
>ucla-locus
>ada-fans
>sri-kl
>denny
>mercado
>sarvela
>BillW
>Mathis
>mitre-bedford
>gte
>gah
>munck
>mcc
>Info-Ada
>bcr
>pjl
>johnm
>nosc-tecr
>contr22
>CONTR23
>contr04
>ll-vlsi
>glenn
>dec-marlboro
>kania
>rehill
>office-2
>kirk.tym
>sri-unix
>richard
>lll-mfe
>info-ada%lll
>COLBORN%SAV
>su-sushi
>samuel
>PACK
>logicon
>ada
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>engvax!info-ada
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>info-ada
>rand-relay
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>brl
>info-ada
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>drea-xx
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>jer
>tl-20b
>info-ada
>decwrl
>scherrer%gvaic3.dec
>seki%tkov60.dec
>oregon-grad
>info-ada
>darcom-hq
>ada
>denver
>info-ada
>ford-wdl1
>ada
>gunter-adam
>porter
>DSDC-SDT2
>hi-multics
>cornhill
>gailly.ada
>stachour
>vaughanw
>kamrad.cst
>hkberg.cscswtec
>eachus.nmlsppt
>hi-info-ada
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>post-info-ada
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>isi-info-ada
>DRUFFEL
>GOODENOUGH
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>dritz
>usc-isid
>inco
>nbs-vms
>kuhn
>zelkowitz
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>egk
>pao
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>rmathias
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>MCGRATH
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>REP
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>trwrb!trwspp!colbert
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>ada-bbd
>RADC-MULTICS
>Karlovic
>Gilyeat
>cornell
>infoada
>USC-ECL
>LOCAL-INFO-ADA
>USC-ECLB
>HFISCHER
>USC-ISIE
>BERTAPELLE
>NSCHNEIDEWIND
>DKREBILL
>SAC.8AFDPI
>SAC.ADDA
>USC-ISIB
>HOLG
>sri-spam
>trudy
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>DEVCTR
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>RSchaaf
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>DMJ
>Sloan
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>Cleaveland
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>hhamilto
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>info-ada-news
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>BSCHAAR
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>trk
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>yee
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>dist-info-ada
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>Date:  Mon, 2 Dec 85 08:56 CST
>From:  "Paul D. Stachour" <Stachour@HI-MULTICS.ARPA>
>Subject:  Re: Ada Professionalism Document
>To:  VaughanW@HI-MULTICS.ARPA, info-ada@USC-ISIF.ARPA
>cc:  "Edward V. Berard" <EBERARD@USC-ISIF.ARPA>
>In-Reply-To:  Message of 1 Dec 85 20:04 CST from VaughanW
>Message-ID:  <851202145648.806167@HI-MULTICS.ARPA>
>
>  In one sense, Ada is indeed a "good" forum for discussing
>professionalism.  There are many "requirements" on a Software
>Professional (for example, recovery from unexpected errors) that are
>"efectively impossible" in other languages (nothing similar to
>exceptions, with their raise/handle semantics) that are now possbile in
>Ada.  Ada is a good tool that will, hopefully, enable those of us who
>consider ourselves professionals but have been unable :o perform the
>needed "good practices" due to the woeful lack of adequate facilities,
>to now perform professionally.
>  [Those of you who know me well know that I believe that the primary
>action we as Software Professionals need to do is use good practices
>defined/designed/available in specialized environments rather than the
>JUNK most of us are forced to use.  {Yes, Sturgeon's law applies here.
>At least 90% of the OS's/languages/...  are so junky that it is nearly
>impossible to do a professional job.} ]
>  It is indeed true that much of our "profession" is filled with
>amateurs; those of you who have access to a copy of E.Dijkstra's 1976
>IFIP speech in Toronto understand why this is so, and why it will
>continue in an area that is growing far faster`than our poor ability to
>eduate and train.
>  But in a larger sense, software professionalism is not only "Ada",
>though Ada can contribute well.  It is also true that if we, as software
>professionals, do not begin to "police" ourselves, someone who knows
>even less about software will someday "pass stupid laws" to attempt
>regulation.
>  I, thus am in a quandry.  I know we need professionalism, but don't
>know a good way of achieving same.
>  By the way, I know Bill Vaughan personally, and consider him one of
>the best software engineers I've ever met.  I'd like to see his skills
>and knowledge spread, and would be very unhappy if somehow his ability
>to practice were "legislated-out-of-existance".  ..Paul