From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,11414a19b0e4a97a X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!b4g2000pra.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Marco Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Advice on selling Ada to a C shop Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 06:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <84972d86-4850-4234-9224-ded8d12baf3b@b4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> References: <101bf8f3-b823-45ee-9afd-40cbafb4b7a9@t26g2000prt.googlegroups.com> <774c25c4-3270-4ffb-ad19-366a0ab16659@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.103.208.130 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1278681667 2060 127.0.0.1 (9 Jul 2010 13:21:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 13:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b4g2000pra.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.103.208.130; posting-account=WITAxQkAAAAHjnLda9Lofpqp8mERTWL4 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6,gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:12284 Date: 2010-07-09T06:21:07-07:00 List-Id: On Jul 6, 4:14=A0am, a...@att.net wrote: > What people are trying to do is create a PLII or PL2. If people want to > create a PLII aka "Programming Language II" then they should start from > scratch and create it. =A0And stop trying to add the features of one > language they like into an other language, and in the process destroying > the beauty of the unmodified original language. =A0Building PLII is not > difficult, it start with setting down and make a list of what features > one like about each language then adopt common features and then add > those features that are desired. But most people who want a type of PLII > just think they can modify an existing language and community for that > language will accept it. The community as a whole does not accept the > changes they just find another language. So, it is time to tell those > modifiers that's =A0enough. =A0If you want PLII then create it and leave > the other languages like "Ada" alone. Agreed - it is either a function that returns a value or a procedure that can manipulate state not both