From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:258b:: with SMTP id g133-v6mr2993254itg.4.1521738106420; Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:01:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:53ca:: with SMTP id i10-v6mr1162572oth.1.1521738103954; Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer02.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer03.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!u184-v6no949846ita.0!news-out.google.com!j10-v6ni815ite.0!nntp.google.com!199-v6no948419itl.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:01:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1220246767.543424591.870799.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.233.194; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.233.194 References: <7eaadf74-c55f-4c00-8f13-bf027cce130e@googlegroups.com> <6188b81f-7d6a-4ea4-90d4-74142471d979@googlegroups.com> <66082e27-14ca-45d1-b8ff-7fe825cd2687@googlegroups.com> <17b6ac53-6b99-430e-8bac-63311ea1fffe@googlegroups.com> <2b114d79-3af8-4285-b645-e2ea6b83331a@googlegroups.com> <2108cec0-fcb7-4b9e-b68c-15dc274d85e1@googlegroups.com> <131606956.543351411.509161.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <8cd36360-51bb-4d7b-b823-afd244a83344@googlegroups.com> <1220246767.543424591.870799.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <82e2a3ff-b7e8-42b2-9dc7-84c0910ca184@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: LLVM and Ada From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:01:46 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 4001 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2491330695 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51137 Date: 2018-03-22T10:01:43-07:00 List-Id: On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:18:10 AM UTC-5, Luke A. Guest wrote: > Dan'l Miller wrote: > > >=20 > > No contributions since October 2017 though. That is a bad sign. > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Like I said, he hasn=E2=80=99t done much. He got the thing to compile wit= h a more > recent gcc, I=E2=80=99ve built it with gcc-6.x. But did you contribute your work back to humanity, as he did? Your work mi= ght have predated his and been useful to him. Indeed, even if your edits a= re chronologically after his, your changes might demonstrate superior wisdo= m & insight & expertise that he would find useful. An LLVM backend to GNAT= won't happen unless all the wood is behind one arrow (as Scott McNealy use= d to say). Often comp.lang.ada operates as (trolls? who are) raining on each other's p= arade. I would like to see a greater community of positive forward movemen= t, where like-minded bits of cellulose self-assemble as all the wood behind= one arrow (or at least behind each disparate arrow of forward progress in = an entire quiver of differently-focused arrows). I am afraid that Ada is i= ncrementally fading for no good reason (other than a preponderance of its p= rogrammers [and perhaps even its luminaries] having grey hair and retiring = into obscurity). =E2=80=A2Every=E2=80=A2 sector of the Ada community needs= to benefit from ever-increasing momentum in all the other sectors of the A= da community. An LLVM-backended GNAT would be astronomically beneficial to= the Ada community because suddenly Ada would be able to quite-publicly-vis= ibly target iPhone & iPad & iPod Touch & Apple Watch, which is the most-con= spicuous missing piece in advocating Ada as a state-of-the-art general-purp= ose language competing with C++ and Swift and Java across all modern OSes &= OS-frameworks thereof. (Btw, I always speak of iOS as an OS separate from Cocoa Touch framework an= d MacOS as an OS separate from its 3 OS-frameworks [Cocoa, Carbon, and XQua= rtz] and Windows as an OS separate from its 4 (?) OS-frameworks & APIs [Win= 32 old-school C-header-defined API, Microsoft .NET bytecode DLLs with WinMD= , Xamarin Mono bytecode DLLs without WinMD, WinRT/UWP components processor-= native DLLs with WinMD.]