From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,39e272d357c68416 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: "John Duncan" Subject: Re: Is Apex dead as an environment for Ada & Java? Date: 1999/11/29 Message-ID: <81vh33$3o0$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 554698218 References: <11f733ec.57d88b68@usw-ex0107-042.remarq.com> <384127A5.61431A14@dowie-cs.demon.co.uk> <0a0133f8.3baf10c0@usw-ex0101-001.remarq.com> <81s370$7am$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <0a0133f8.7900d89e@usw-ex0102-015.remarq.com> <3842C457.CBC87C2@hso.link.com> <20c2f050.4d65ccc7@usw-ex0101-003.remarq.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Organization: University of Pittsburgh X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1999-11-29T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: > I also believe that tools such as CVS may work for a huge project, > but I need more info to support this claim. Apparently there are > good graphical front ends to CVS, including emacs. > CVS is good, and physically it scales, but it takes a lot of work to make CVS fit into your culture. It is adapted for Unix/C environments, and it leaves much to be desired/written. A build environment would be nice, and don't even try to say "make". Look at the Vista 2 project at SRC. There are many interesting ideas there, some of which have been incorporated into commercial applications. --- As far as the rest of this thread is concerned, I think that Jim Snead asked a good question, which is "why does anyone use this expensive product", and questions like that need to be asked. But it is not the business of this group to convince Jim that he should use Apex. That is Rational's job. And the people who use Apex either have questioned whether they should or have not. There are open-source considerations that are as good for as many applications as commercial packages are, and there are as many applications that open-source tools don't support as commercial packages do not. Some people/companies prefer the commercial applications. It works for them, the answer was given. In my opinion, it seems that there must be a subtle symbiosis in the parts of Apex that make it better for some than for others, and it seems that it has a following that dates back before the product got its name. There is an obvious following for CVS and GNAT. I personally hate working with and configuring unix-style compilers, but as long as those are the free ones, its what I'm stuck with. But just because something can be done with two different tools, it doesn't mean it gets done the same way. -John