From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:a6c4:: with SMTP id p187-v6mr6497570ioe.65.1526670108070; Fri, 18 May 2018 12:01:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:703:: with SMTP id 3-v6mr202400ote.11.1526670107664; Fri, 18 May 2018 12:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed9.news.xs4all.nl!85.12.16.69.MISMATCH!peer02.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer02.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!u74-v6no1845283itb.0!news-out.google.com!f20-v6ni2065itd.0!nntp.google.com!u74-v6no1845279itb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 12:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.233.194; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.233.194 User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <81d14d85-1c41-4558-93e5-6a6d9ecf091a@googlegroups.com> Subject: How is Ada's GNOGA better than C++'s Wt? From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 19:01:48 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 3803 X-Received-Body-CRC: 581672333 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52439 Date: 2018-05-18T12:01:47-07:00 List-Id: >From over on the lengthy How-to-get-Ada-to-=E2=80=9Dcross-the-chasm=E2=80= =9D posting, but this topic deserves its own top-level posting: On Friday, May 18, 2018 at 11:55:45 AM UTC-5, polymorph self wrote: > On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-4, Dan'l Miller wrote: > > http://cppdepend.com/blog/?p=3D994 > >=20 > > =E2=80=9CAccording to Moore, the marketer should focus on one group of = customers at a time, using each group as a base for marketing to the next g= roup. The most difficult step is making the transition between visionaries = (early adopters) and pragmatists (early majority).=E2=80=9D > >=20 > > Do we all agree that Ada has never quite crossed the chasm (although it= almost did during the late 1980s)? How can Ada cross the chasm? > >=20 > > How will Ada use one base of programmers/software-engineers as a basis = to move onto convincing another group of programmers/software-engineers of = Ada's advantages? Or is the purpose of Ada to preach to its current choir = without trying to fill the pews with new parishioners? >=20 > gonga.com seems the 1 way > I mean coding web mobiel in 1 swoop sounds awesome This brings up a related topic: What are all the ways that Ada's GNOGA at = http://Gnoga.com is better than, say, C++'s Wt (pronounced Witty*) at http:= //WebToolkit.eu/wt? I'll start: 1) GNOGA is written in Ada instead of C++. 2) GNOGA is licensed as GPLv3 with Runtime Exception, as opposed to Wt's GP= Lv2 (apparently without any variant of the Runtime Exception). (It isn't c= lear to me at all what is and is not a =E2=80=98distribution=E2=80=99 of de= rivative works** of a Wt website under GPLv2, and thus who is entitled to r= eceive the source code of your [entire?] Wt-based website. Matters are muc= h much clearer with GNOGA's Runtime Exception, I think: it sure looks like= you can proprietarily own your GNOGA-based website's software, correct?) * analogous to Qt's cute or cutie (or SQL's sequel, for that matter) ** Are WWW-browser-based possessors of Javascript generated & served by Wt = allowed to request source code to your Wt-based WWWsite under GPLv2-without= -Runtime-Exception? If a Wt-based WWWsite is hosted on a server that you d= o not own (e.g., the cloud), can the hosting provider request source code t= o your Wt-based WWWsite under GPLv2-without-Runtime-Exception? Once someon= e has requested & received source code to your Wt-based website, are they t= hen allowed under software freedom to redistribute your [entire?] WWWsite's= source code? (These questions seem less likely under GNOGA's licensing.)