From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com!news.glorb.com!news-out.octanews.net!indigo.octanews.net!auth.brown.octanews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Sender: phr2009-nospam@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Paul Rubin Newsgroups: comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.c++,comp.programming Subject: Re: Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3? References: <2009a75f-63e7-485e-9d9f-955e456578ed@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Date: 01 Aug 2009 14:56:44 -0700 Message-ID: <7xskgbtcyr.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> Organization: Nightsong/Fort GNOX User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Date: 01 Aug 2009 16:56:35 CDT X-Complaints-To: abuse@octanews.net Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.scheme:6274 comp.lang.ada:7513 comp.lang.functional:2583 comp.lang.c++:48931 comp.programming:12233 Date: 2009-08-01T16:56:35-05:00 List-Id: frankenstein writes: > Fact #1: We must forget about the language shootout page because it is > and always has been a kinda like of Micky Mouse benchmark (any idot > who thought he might make up for an excellent programmer posted crappy > code and once posted it is forever in google's history and a lot of > other idiots will use the result from the benchmark). RIP language > shotout page. The shootout is reasonably informative when it's about languages that have many active practitioners. If someone posts crappy slow code that makes the language look bad for a while, someone else can come along and post faster code. So there is ongoing competition between GHC, Ocaml, C++ and so forth. It's only for the languages with fewer practitioners (these can still be perfectly good languages) that the early crappy submissions don't get improved regularly.