From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,9b30240b5a381bbf X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-08-22 01:19:33 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news.net.uni-c.dk!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!uio.no!193.216.69.35.MISMATCH!dax.net!juliett.dax.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada 95 for an ARM-based bare board? References: <5ee5b646.0208191613.21291d5@posting.google.com> <7vptwccqfs.fsf@vlinux.voxelvision.no> From: Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen Message-ID: <7vhehncnm1.fsf@vlinux.voxelvision.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:19:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.216.12.150 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tele2.no X-Trace: juliett.dax.net 1030004342 193.216.12.150 (Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:19:02 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:19:02 MET DST Organization: Tele2 Norway AS Public Access Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:28306 Date: 2002-08-22T08:19:02+00:00 List-Id: "Randy Brukardt" writes: > Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen wrote in message > <7vptwccqfs.fsf@vlinux.voxelvision.no>... > > >And preferably pay up front for the develoment of the compiler.... OK > >strategy if you sell few expensive development systems, probably not a > >good strategy to penetrate the mass market. > > > The companies that tried to penatrate the mass market with Ada are > either out of business (Supersoft, Artek, Meridian), have changed > product lines to move away from the mass market (RR Software), or > changed business models (Aonix). A lot of people lost a lot of money > trying to do that, and it has always failed. Here, I have to agree with > Robert: if you think there is some way to make a viable business out of > mass market Ada, feel free to take your own money and start a company to > do it. Otherwise, stop whining. I'm not in the business of making compilers, and it wasn't whining, just an observation that from a customers point of view, it has made sense to seek other solutions. As a customer, I don't really care about the vendor's motivation for his strategy. Of course any vendor is free to pursue his preferred market. > > I've spent 22 years trying to sell Ada to the masses, and primarily all > I have to show for it is a substantial debt. You can argue that RRS has > done this or that wrong (and that's probably true), but I dare anyone > here to do it better on the money we had available. Unless some Ada > stalwart wins a $100 million Powerball jackpot, I very much doubt that > will change. > > Randy Brukardt > R.R. Software, Inc. I do not doubt that it's very difficult to penetrate the mass market without very deep pockets, and I do not accuse you of having done anything stupid. It probably is an indication that there is no mass market appeal in Ada at the moment.