From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,3d6589e7b2c60444 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-06 02:25:06 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!uninett.no!dax.net!juliett.dax.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: employment with ada References: <626e8ae.0305011636.5e899da3@posting.google.com> <4mo7bvc2n70k6eikm3muu2965nbo3m77ov@4ax.com> From: Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen Message-ID: <7vhe888m25.fsf@vlinux.voxelvision.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:24:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.216.12.150 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tele2.no X-Trace: juliett.dax.net 1052213074 193.216.12.150 (Tue, 06 May 2003 11:24:34 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 11:24:34 MET DST Organization: Tele2 Norway AS Public Access Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:37000 Date: 2003-05-06T09:24:34+00:00 List-Id: DPH writes: > On Mon, 05 May 2003 18:41:38 GMT, "P S Norby" > wrote: > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "DPH" > >Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada > >Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 11:03 AM > >Subject: Re: employment with ada > > > > > > > >> 2) If they hire someone and train them in Ada, and designate them to > >> program in Ada, all too often that person thinks to himself, "I'm > >> learning a dead langauge, with nowhere to go if this project fails or > >> completes" and the next thing you know, that person is in an exit > >> interview, looking for a job that will provide "marketable skills." > >> > > > >Given that JSF is the biggest DoD contract ever, and will last several > >decades ('til 2050, according to someone on the "Nova" program on PBS about > >the competition between Boeing & LMCO), one would think that that would be > >enough prestige and security (if there is such a thing these days) to > >overcome some programmers' doubts about language. > > > >And given that LMCO receives several hundred (or thousand?) resumes for each > >posted position, you would think there would be more than enough who are > >willing to do the job in Ada. (and how about screening out the non-willing > >_before_ hiring/training them?) > > Any given Ada-speaking-only SW Engineer could and should be concerned > about: > > 1) Getting laid off in spite of the hot project - "stuff" can happen. > > 2) Wanting the freedom to decide they don't want to work at the same > place their whole career, and maybe live in some other state besides > Texas or Georgia or wherever. > > 3) Maybe wanting to not get underpaid because the employer knows you > don't have much of an option to go anywhere else because this, at 10 > years later, is the only Ada island, or maybe one of the 3 remaining > Ada islands (and the other 2 are in places where it goes down to 38 > below zero in the winter) in the country. > > 4) Maybe just plain getting tired of Ada programming but not being > able to leave with the narrow skillset. > > Dave Head > Yes, sadly there are too many employers who look mainly at prgromming language skills. In my experience, knowledge of a speecific programming language or specific tool is probably the least important skill in a project of any size. -- Ole-Hj. Kristensen ****************************************************************************** * You cannot consistently believe this sentence. ******************************************************************************