From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, MSGID_RANDY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,e94a7e4f6f888766 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Robert Dewar Subject: Re: Self-referential types Date: 1999/10/18 Message-ID: <7uds5f$ljp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 537271116 References: <7ttb4a$8mq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3802f2db_2@news1.prserv.net> <3803B5E3.F96A6DD4@mitre.org> <3803c8bc_2@news1.prserv.net> X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.232.38.14 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 18 01:12:20 1999 GMT X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrobert_dewar Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) Date: 1999-10-18T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article , "Vladimir Olensky" wrote: > I think this is extremely bad. By such a lot of valuable > information just lost. > Only participants have it. There is the amazing facility known as a library (I guess the online crowd have forgotten about these amazing institutions :-) > I think that in case of Ada all proceedings and materials > should be > freely available online and for download. When authors create works, including conference presentations, they are copyrighted. It is up to the presenters and organizers of conferences to decide how available to make the materials. Consumers always prefer complete availability, producers are not always willing to comply :-) I am sure that if you ask the typical net surfer whether XXX should be freely available online, the answer will be yes for almost all possible XXX. It is sort of like asking people if they would like it better if stores would stop charging money for their merchandise ... The dynamics here is quite tricky. Even getting the ISO standard semi-available was a huge effort. Most owners of copyrights are very nervous about net availability, and are also nervous about the kind of sentiment expressed here (everything should automatically be made available free). Remember that, following the commerce clause of the constitution, the purpose of copyright is to encourage creation. It's hard already to get publishers to risk doing Ada books, if you insist they all be on line, then one possible outcome is that they will all be on line, all zero of them, so you have to work for a balance here. > I think that this is one of the ways to promote Ada. > If this work need sponsors I hope that Ada Resource > Association could be such and moreover it could even sponsor > the work to make > most valuable Ada books available online (including setting up agreements > with publishers and authors). Ahem .. this is not just a matter of "work .. [to] .. setting up agreements", there is $$$ involved. Why would a publisher publish a book, if anyone can download it free? Well there are legitimate answers to this and a few publishers have been convinced to publish electronic books, or allow their hard copy books to be available on line, but this is an exception. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.