From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,517611567e1815f2 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Dave Subject: Re: Java momentum slowing ? Date: 1999/05/12 Message-ID: <7hdi8f$1plb@drn.newsguy.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 477290610 References: <372b0ec7.28153993@news2.ibm.net> <3728E60E.F789FD8@uq.net.au> <373612A6.3752CC19@Botton.com> <7h5ak3$2t8@drn.newsguy.com> <37365163.1AB89036@Botton.com> <7h5n2d$prl@drn.newsguy.com> <3736D161.48A9E77B@Botton.com> <3737AB6D.FACB718C@Botton.com> <7h8lmu$2p8n@drn.newsguy.com> <3739C39F.E9B46156@Botton.com> <56EF566E81E8663B.12EEA4C03A4F6995.985E539C8D89B2D1@library-proxy.airnews.net> <373A1E6D.8CDB54C9@Botton.com> Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://www.newsguy.com] Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1999-05-12T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <373A1E6D.8CDB54C9@Botton.com>, David says... > > >I don't understand why people have a hard time dealing with this. It >doesn't make Java "BAD", it just means that Java is not the language / >OS killer that Sun (and not so long ago M$) would force down your throat >to believe. > You do not have to believe it, you can see it. Java now is the most used language in any new applications or technology. By the end of the year, it is estimated that there will be more than 1,000,000 java programmers, more than C++ and C combined. And Java is only less than 5 years old. Imagine what things will be like in 5 or 10 years from now. Everywhere you look, Java is now used. People are converting exisitng application from C++ to Java, and starting new ones in Java. I work as a contractor, and I can't even find a new C/C++ project, (not that I will accept one, given a choice to use Java), all the new ones are in Java: Java/Databases, Java/Corba, Java/XML, java/Networking, java everywhere. I do not know where you live, but if you live anywhere where there are high tech companies, I do not see how you can not see this. This is not only in the US, but worldwide. We had a large project done for a company in India, and they asked for it to be in Java only. face it, C/C++ are dead for application development these days. Only a crazy person will develop something new in C++ nowadays. This is bad for M$, but good for the rest of the world, and good for us programmers also. Free us from M$ and its crapy technology it wanted to shove down our throats. Notice that freedom from M$ can only be good for Ada also. If M$ remained the only player in town, all what you will ever work with is VB and VC++ and COM. Breaking this mold, will give a chance for other technologies and languages to come in. Look at now what people are starting to look at along with Java: Perl, Python, XML, CROBA, etc.. these are all open technologies, and none is under M$ control. Java has opened the door, now M$ is scrambling to try to figure what to do about it. Programmers who use Java love it, and Sun is not forcing any one to use Java. IBM, Oracle, HP, Cisco, you name it, they are all doing major development with Java. But with M$ case, it was the only who had control and owned its techology secrets. Java is an open technology (but I agree it could be made more open by Sun giving away all the source code), and Sun is giving away alot of it free to the world to use and enjoy. and many people are also building a clean room implementation of java, since the specs are open. I can't see how you can compare what good Sun has done for the software world, to M$ attempt to control it. But If I have a choice between who will control the software world, I'd much rather it be Sun than M$. At Least Sun products do not crash every 5 minutes. Dave