From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,c6e9700a33963193 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: mjsilva@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: The future of Ada Date: 1999/03/27 Message-ID: <7diro7$1jo$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 459699917 References: <36E690FA.4B9C@sandia.gov> <36fbd229.1390755@news.demon.co.uk> <36fcbe32.0@news1.jps.net> <7di6r6$bhd@drn.newsguy.com> X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x8.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.239.198.66 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Mar 27 14:59:22 1999 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98; Compaq) Date: 1999-03-27T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <7di6r6$bhd@drn.newsguy.com>, west@nospam wrote: > In article <36fcbe32.0@news1.jps.net>, "Mike says... > > > > >My experience in learning Ada is the same as Michael's -- Ada will not > >tolerate off-the-cuff programming, where you're only thinking a few lines or > >a few functions ahead. I come from 'C', a language that is always beguiling > >you with "well, you probably shouldn't do that, but -I'll- never tell". > > ...snip.. > > Very few people will argue than C or C++ are better than Ada. > > But nowadays, the Big one is Java. It is not C or C++. > > Ada programmers like to put C/C++ down, becuase it is easy to do so I truly don't see how you could take what I wrote as a putdown of C/C++. I thought I was clear in describing how I, in learning Ada from a C background, found the extra discipline Ada imposes to be both frustrating and beneficial. I could have come from a number of other languages and had the same experience. I am specifically not an Ada programmer, I am a C programmer learning Ada, who recognizes that the C language allows (does not force, but allows) some weak programming practices. You, however, have chosen to twist what I wrote to serve as an excuse for Yet Another Java Flag-waving Post. This is especially ironic because Java also imposes extra discipline on somebody coming from a C background, and thus my words could also have been written about Java. What is even more ironic, to the point of being ludicrous, is that a Java programmer would criticize anybody for "putting C/C++ down" (which I -didn't- do), since the Java community seems to regularly work itself into hysterics over the failures of C/C++. "Java Great, Everything Else Bad, C/C++ Really Really Horrible" seems to be the message of the noisiest Java backers. Perhaps instead of telling us how Java will take over the world (a look at dice.com shows 3 times as many C/C++ offerings as Java...), why don't -you- tell us why you choose Java over Ada. Have you even looked seriously at Ada? I can tell you that for my applications (embedded real-time systems), Ada is a much better fit than Java. Mike -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own