From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ed45459060d00f87 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: kevin@woldnospam.com Subject: Re: US-MN-Mpls >>> Ada Software Engineers <<< Date: 1999/02/15 Message-ID: <7aablt$qqt@drn.newsguy.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 444775911 References: <79scn2$k04@drn.newsguy.com> <36c25c45.0@news.pacifier.com> <79v9f4$fe$1@remarq.com> <79vd9b$45k$1@remarQ.com> <7a1eir$6oe$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36C8A705.597D432A@planet8.tds-eagan.lmco.com> Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://www.newsguy.com] Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1999-02-15T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <36C8A705.597D432A@planet8.tds-eagan.lmco.com>, Alan says... > > >I personally think chopping down trees is swell if it's done to make >houses or even good-looking spice racks for people. no, killing trees, even if Ada is used for this, is not good. without trees, we all will die. becuase trees make O2, which we need to breath. Also tree are pretty. It is bad to kill trees. Build your house from steel or stone or concrete. > >1. I am an Ada software engineer working for a large defense contractor; Is there any other place an Ada programmer could work? >3. I know for a fact that I make more as an Ada software engineer than >I would as a C++ whatever, because I got offers in both; It is obviouse if you work as an Ada programmer, sorry, "engineer", you'll make more than C++, since people will pay you based on your experience. But if you have 2 people with equal skills in Ada and C++, the C++ programmer, will not only have more open opportunities to choose from (and none of them to have to be to make software to kill people and tree), but they'll make more money also. >Supplement: I know that the term "Ada software engineer" is self-limiting, > There is no such thing as "software engineers". There are good or bad programmers. programming is not an engineering. it is a craft, an art, with some learned skills and patterns, and with some intrinsic talents the person must have for software. You can teach someone all the "Software engineerings" courses in the world, and if they ain't got it, they'll never be able to build good software. keven