From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,TO_NO_BRKTS_FROM_MSSP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,bc1361a952ec75ca X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-22 11:51:03 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!newsranger.com!www.newsranger.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.functional From: Ted Dennison References: <3B6555ED.9B0B0420@sneakemail.com> <87n15lxzzv.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> <3B672322.B5EA1B66@home.com> <4a885870.0108112341.7ce02ac0@posting.google.com> <3B834E5D.B0D26AB1@adaworks.com> <9lvsic$bet9s$1@ID-9852.news.dfncis.de> <0sDnZRVkz5qL@eisner.encompasserve.org> <3b83847d.1117251944@news.worldonline.nl> <3B83F498.E0F6C582@timesys.com> Subject: Re: How Ada could have prevented the Red Code distributed denial of Message-ID: <7aTg7.10919$2u.78544@www.newsranger.com> X-Abuse-Info: When contacting newsranger.com regarding abuse please X-Abuse-Info: forward the entire news article including headers or X-Abuse-Info: else we will not be able to process your request X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsranger.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:50:43 EDT Organization: http://www.newsranger.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:50:43 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:12272 comp.lang.c:76206 comp.lang.c++:84915 comp.lang.functional:7630 Date: 2001-08-22T18:50:43+00:00 List-Id: In article <3B83F498.E0F6C582@timesys.com>, Adam Fineman says... > >Ted Dennison wrote: >> Well, the software in question was the marine (engine) control system. It had >> nothing to do with the weapon systems. I suppose you could get rammed... >> >I'm in need of clarification. Are you saying that a US Naval vessel's >engine control system was running under Windows NT? That was the idea. Scared yet? Well, then realise this was back in the days of Windows NT 3.51, if I remember correctly. Also realise that Navy software is expected to run proplerly for *decades* without maintanence upgrades like home users are accustomed to. If you change something as significant as an OS, you have to retest and recertify the whole system, which is incredibly expensive, and thus not undertaken lightly. I was particularly amused at part of one of the articles where they said the vendor essentially blamed the problem on the Navy using an obsolete version of their software. Perhaps home users have become resigned to being talked to that way. But you simply do *not* go telling the Navy that all that softaware they paid you millions to develop was really buggy crap, and thus they should pay you again for an "upgrade". I don't know what happened to this technology after that highly publicised blowout. I suspect that at most it only got deployed on some of the newer cruisers, and the Destroyers are all still using the reliably designed Ada/Unix/CMS-2 stuff. --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html home email - mailto:dennison@telepath.com