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From: whiter5195@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: US-MN-Mpls >>> Ada Software Engineers <<<
Date: 1999/02/13
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In article <7a1ce9$4l2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
  robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <79tk4j$cqf@drn.newsguy.com>,
>   kevin@nospamworld.com wrote:
>
> > Actually, Ada programmers make less than C++ or Java or
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
  The title says "Ada software engineer" which might be
considered a horse of a different color.  In fact that may
be just one of the distinguishing attributes from a
"programmer".

> > even C.
>
> Reading this first sentence, it sounds dubious since it
> cites no reliable source.
>
> > You don't have to believe me, just go to
> > http://www.dice.com, search
> > for Ada as key word, you'll see about 30 or so positions,
> > with less pay than
> > C/C++/Java/Unix positions. (If you search for C++ you'll
> > get 100's of
> > positions).
>
> Ah and now we see that indeed the source of information
> is completely useless. These listings give no idea of
> what real pay levels look like in the general industry.
> Anyone who believes they do is operating under severe
> misconceptions!

  I agree.  That is not a location we use for experienced,
high salary, software engineers.  Rather a network of personal
contacts and skilled headhunters is used for the top 20 companies
hiring skilled talent from each other.  Some of the better
contract engineering (temp 1 - 5 year help) firms also do very
well in this venue.

> >
> > When I last was looking for a position, calling the Ada
> > work agents listed, they would be shocked if I mentioned
> > a rate over $50/hr. Yet, calling the
> > C++ agents, and asking for $80-$100/hr was not even
> > questioned, and many  positions would be happy to pay
> > that for the right person.>
>
> There are many Ada programmers making very good salaries,
> and many C and C++ programmers not making much at all. As
> usual things depend on skills and requirements. Clearly
> your Ada skills did not qualify you for the high paying
> Ada jobs. It is certainly the case that really skilled
> Ada programmers can do well for themselves these days!

  As a senior industry (avionics/navigation) software
engineer, I have to agree with Professor Dewar.  I
know what I make and what I have to pay to get skilled
experienced talent in our embedded systems product area.  No
different than what you quote above for capable personnel.
_____________________________________________________________________
Robert S. White   -- a little bit south of MN Mpls

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