From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f5d71,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gidf5d71,public X-Google-Thread: 146b77,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gid146b77,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: mll@xmission.com Subject: Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java Date: 1999/02/04 Message-ID: <79ce4s$lfq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 440596743 References: <369C1F31.AE5AF7EF@concentric.net> <369DDDC3.FDE09999@sea.ericsson.se> <369e309a.32671759@news.demon.co.uk> <77ledn$eu7$1@remarQ.com> <77pnqc$cgi$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <8p64spq5lo5.fsf@Eng.Sun.COM> <77t3ld$nou$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x14.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 128.170.13.97 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 04 15:25:29 1999 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.vxworks,comp.lang.java X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Date: 1999-02-04T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <77t3ld$nou$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article <8p64spq5lo5.fsf@Eng.Sun.COM>, > Mike Coffin wrote: > > > When it first appeared, Ada was the > > laughingstock of programmers everywhere for its insane > > complexity and C++ has managed to outdo it. > > In my experience, people who think Ada is an unacceptably > complex language are those who simply don't know it and > prefer to find a reason for rejecting a programming > language without having to make the effort to learn it. > HERE HERE, I've been writing C for 17 years, C++ for 7 and Ada for 7 and would select Ada over the other 2 anytime (there may be SOME?? applications which would be better written in C). I've only met one person who said they didn't prefer Ada over C/C++ and she had only maintained and tested Ada, not authored anyting in it. The only real obstacle to people learning Ada is the C- ish attitude of "slap it together, almost anthing will compile and then I'll debug." Once Ada compiles you rarely deal with anything other than logic errors. ....snip.... > > If you really think that you cannot write elegant code > in Ada, then you may have used it for years, but you never > learned it. The same is true for C++. You probably just > have never learned some of the really important elements > of elegance such as data abstraction, and separation of > specification and implementations, since they aren't in > C, they are probably foreign to you. Using Ada and C++ > does not necessarily cure this gap in knowledge, learning > them properly does! > I find it difficult to accept that anyone who can program well could use a language for years without learning its finer points. Someone who can do this is just a mechanic. ....snip.... > > > The programmer is now writing Java for an internet > > startup and has stock options worth $3.6 million. > > He has an occasional mild headache but no ulcers. > A ludicrous point since many of the characteristics of java are taken directly from Ada and this person should be having severe headaches over them. > To think that making money is evidence of competence or > quality is particularly naive. I guess you think NT must > be the best operating system in the world *simply because* > Microsoft is making lots of money -- an interesting theory > indeed. > touche > Actually suh internet startups are often typical of > companies that indeed are operating at CMM level 1, and > have internal software practices that are the envy of none. > > Here is an interesting test. For all people in your > organization, what would happen if they suddenly changed > jobs and disappeared in 3 days (happens all the time in > the valley). How much critical knowledge and know-how would > be lost? > > Robert Dewar > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > Mike Lockhart Aspectus anas, actus anas, sonus anas, ex aequo anas. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own