From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,1479b753518e2325 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: "news.oxy.com" Subject: Re: how to make Ada more popular? Date: 1999/01/25 Message-ID: <78hoiq$q5b$1@remarQ.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 436659739 References: <787hk5$q6t@drn.newsguy.com> <789kei$mbd$1@news.Kijfhoek.NL.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Trace: 917267866 HXI3FRZSOA57FC7F8C usenet52.supernews.com Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1999-01-25T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Kees Serier wrote in message <789kei$mbd$1@news.Kijfhoek.NL.net>... > >bill_1@nospam.com wrote in message <787hk5$q6t@drn.newsguy.com>... > >What else is popular? >Programming Windows (mainly MS-Windows) I think. > >What is used for this task? >C++, Delphi, Virtual Basic >What do they have that GNAT does not have? >Class libraries and tools for making programming Windows easy. I was always trying to point this out almost in my every message to this forum and I will do this more and more that if there will be some kind of the RAD (Rapid Application Development) close to Delphi in functionality based on Ada 95 this will be a revolution in Ada community that can significantly improve Ada positions outside the military area: ( commercial world - corporate IS departments, companies that are making software for that market as well as other public domains ). But so far there was no comments regarding this from Averstar, ACT, Aonix an other Ada Companies. I think everyone wants to hear from them what they are thinking about this. >There are some commercial Ada compilers that also have these tools, and also >provide those >for use with GNAT, but those are not free and will therefor not lead to the >wanted popularity >(allthough they probably will be of high quality). CLAW from RR Software (which is $495) is example of this. It is right step in right direction but it is not available individuals and right now it is still only high OO library (so called Win32 thick bindings) for GUI and GUI builder that is built to generate Ada GUI application using this OO. So it can not be called RAD now. Maybe some time later. I have ordered it for myself (as a corporate user) but a lot of other people just can not do this. Aonix OA also has GUI builder but again it can not be called RAD tool. No doubt that there is a great need for public "Ada Delphi". As Delphi is a registered trademark some new bright catchy name for the marketing should be invented. Borland Delphi is one of the best examples of the right approach to the needs of people in the Windows programming area. MS-Windows NT is now dominant desktop operating system on the enterprise level (other people may think the other way - let's no discuss this further at this forum) so everyone who will ignore that fact can lose the game. There are a lot of people who do not like Microsoft for many different reasons and trying to ignore that phenomena but not to do thing for Windows NT as a result of such dislike is just unwise. Programming under Windows is not just popular (I mean that it should not be considered as some kind of hobby and thus to be ignored). It is a corporate/enterprise IS market demand. I state this as a corporate MIS department staff member. When such demands are taken into account by software Companies we have success stories such as Borland Delphi (Borland even recenly change it's name to Inprise to stress that their products are aimed at the enterprise market). Regards to all, Vladimir Olensky (vladimir_olensky@yahoo.com) (Vladimir_Olensky@oxy.com) Telecommunication specialist, Occidental C.I.S. Service, Inc. ( www.oxy.com ) Moscow, Russia.