From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 115aec,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gid115aec,public X-Google-Thread: 146b77,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gid146b77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: dennison@telepath.com Subject: Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java Date: 1999/01/21 Message-ID: <787frb$k8j$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 435241214 References: <369C1F31.AE5AF7EF@concentric.net> <369DDDC3.FDE09999@sea.ericsson.se> <369e309a.32671759@news.demon.co.uk> <77ledn$eu7$1@remarQ.com> <77pnqc$cgi$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <8p64spq5lo5.fsf@Eng.Sun.COM> <782r25$k18$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x16.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.48.27.130 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jan 21 15:07:32 1999 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.vxworks,comp.realtime Date: 1999-01-21T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article , gwinn@ma.ultranet.com (Joe Gwinn) wrote: > In article <782r25$k18$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com > wrote: > > > In article > > , > > gwinn@ma.ultranet.com (Joe Gwinn) wrote: > > > A data point. In the 1980s, this same issue came up with > > > respect to K&R C and Ada83. To avoid unresolvable > > > theological debates, I "weighed" the DEC Ada and DEC C > > > compilers on VAX/VMS. The Ada compiler was ten times > > > larger. This is roughly the ratio of the sizes of their > > > respective language reference manuals as well. > > > > K&R C is NOT a reference manual, the proper comparison is > > the ANSI C standard vs the Ada standard. There is nothing > > LIKE a factor of 10 in this. By comparison with either of > > these standards, K&R is simply an informal description. > > Note that this comparison is on just one dimension, namely > > complexity of informal/formal definition. > > A data point is a data point, not a universal law. I stand by what I > said. The K&R White Book was the sole C manual for many years, so it'll > have to do. ANSI C is not quite the same langauge, and came many years I think what Robert was getting at is that comparing the size of a guide like the K&R white book to the size of a complete language reference manual is silly. In fact I have seen it remarked that if a manual going into the kind of detail on K&R C that the Ada 83 LRM goes into for Ada were written, it would most likely be considerably *longer* than the Ada 83 LRM (my copy of which is only about 250 pages + 75 pages of apendices and indices). But since said mythical document does not exist, speculation based on their relative size is silly. T.E.D. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own