From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 146b77,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gid146b77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f5d71,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gidf5d71,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: dennison@telepath.com Subject: Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java Date: 1999/01/20 Message-ID: <785enu$sq5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 434910088 References: <369C1F31.AE5AF7EF@concentric.net> <369DDDC3.FDE09999@sea.ericsson.se> <369e309a.32671759@news.demon.co.uk> <369F1D39.64A65BC1@sea.ericsson.se> <369f81a9.31040093@news.demon.co.uk> <77ommt$9bo$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <77vhjf$nn9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <77vld9$qvg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <782rp0$kn6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6Oap2.16170$MW1.4028@news2.giganews.com> <783nnb$s9c@drn.newsguy.com> <784qvi$a0a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <78549k$iqv$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x3.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.48.27.130 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jan 20 20:36:15 1999 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.vxworks,comp.lang.java,comp.lang.ada X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) Date: 1999-01-20T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <78549k$iqv$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article <784qvi$a0a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > dennison@telepath.com wrote: > (a) no one is arguing in favor of demonstrably silly > style guidelines. Hmm. I didn't find any of those examples *silly*. The exception is perhaps the leading ';' rule, which was from an *actual* style guide for a project I worked on. > (b) no one will accept that absurd notion that all style > guidelines are bound to be demonstrably silly. Its just as absurd to claim that they are all perfect. > lines should not for a moment be tolerated. If the problem > is that there is something wrong with the guidelines, fix > them, don't ignore them! I was on two programs where the style guide was a project deliverable with a deadline *before* coding started. When silly parts of the guide were stumbled across, it was not *possible* to go back and change the guide. I worked on another with over 100 developers. Any change to a deliverable like the style guide had to go the the "Engineering Review Board". That board was mostly staffed with managers, including the very high level engineer who "owned" the style guide. He had nothing else to do and was highly sensitive to any criticism (and had never written a line of Ada). For masses of low-level engineers this was a daunting body that you did *not* go in front of on a lark. Far better would be to start a grassroots movement for a different style, and let the style guide nazi either fix the guide, or try to convince the engineers though email why the official method was better, or give out "waivers" on a selective basis. I take it its not so tough to change the guide where you work... T.E.D. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own