From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.107.11.227 with SMTP id 96mr13437549iol.129.1521821803313; Fri, 23 Mar 2018 09:16:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:16c3:: with SMTP id s3-v6mr1699161ots.13.1521821803184; Fri, 23 Mar 2018 09:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feed.usenet.farm!feeder4.feed.usenet.farm!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!199-v6no815449itl.0!news-out.google.com!d3-v6ni925itf.0!nntp.google.com!u184-v6no812613ita.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 09:16:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.233.194; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.233.194 References: <9ed9edb1-3342-4644-89e8-9bcf404970ee@googlegroups.com> <26a1fe54-750c-45d7-9006-b6fecaa41176@googlegroups.com> <656fb1d7-48a4-40fd-bc80-10ba9c4ad0a4@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7649c01e-53d7-4734-bf0d-dac0bda4452d@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ada-Oriented GUI From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:16:43 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51173 Date: 2018-03-23T09:16:42-07:00 List-Id: On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 7:59:38 AM UTC-5, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > On 23/03/2018 13:31, Alejandro R. Mosteo wrote: >=20 > > I (humbly) think that people not knowing Rx but arguing against it are= =20 > > barking at the wrong tree. >=20 > Yes, but this is a natural defense reflex against snake oil sellers. But, Dmitry, you cocoon yourself in a layer of ignorance-is-BLISS (substitu= ting several topics for that old DEC language) or perhaps even more than on= e layer. To actually know that Rx and Ix are snake oil, you must first dir= ectly examine the actual product for sale, perhaps scientifically by deep e= mpirical examination fitting of a biological dissection or plotting of Cope= rnican planetary motion during The Enlightenment. You've done nothing of t= he sort. Your condemnations would be much more meaningful if you came back= after 30 or 365 days to report that based on your in-depth analysis of act= ually extant source code and empirical executions thereof, the entire react= ive-systems ideology is flawed at this & that points of departure at the gi= t-go on which an entire house of cards is built. But you've done nothing o= f the sort. Just as in so many pseudo-science topics in the media today, science isn't = some expert opining vociferously about topics based on hearsay or propagand= a. Science is not about pontificating a clung-to belief system; there exis= ts a pontiff already for that. Science is not about 97% of the mob-justice= saying such-&-such. Science is deliberate reproducible empirical examinat= ion (preferably via the Scientific Method with a control group and varying = only a single variable) of extant reality. Multiple people over a span of = a decade are showing that by comparing the same app design before and after= introduction of Rx in Swift and in Java and in C# eliminates defects by Rx= 's easing the visualization of how to properly handle multiple disparate ev= entflow arrival orderings in a very structured and disciplined way of focus= ing on river(s) of nouns rather than structured-programming-esque imperativ= e verb-first mentality. And that is today's bleeding-edge prototypical klu= dgy Rx at run-time, just to help out the human designer's mental clarity. = Imagine what Rx at compile-time with did-you-cover-all-the-cases checks cou= ld do. Imagine compile-time checks on over or under conflation/folding/map= ping of categories of event arrivals. That doesn't sound like snake oil at= all. That sounds precisely like something an Ada-esque language would met= iculously verify at compile-time.