From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.182.44.135 with SMTP id e7mr60919107obm.21.1416176811027; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 14:26:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.34.14 with SMTP id k14mr836qgk.8.1416176811002; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 14:26:51 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!h15no1539586igd.0!news-out.google.com!m4ni197qag.1!nntp.google.com!u7no2154884qaz.1!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 14:26:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <546874f3$0$2908$426a34cc@news.free.fr> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=213.108.152.51; posting-account=bMuEOQoAAACUUr_ghL3RBIi5neBZ5w_S NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.108.152.51 References: <3d5997a0-fc19-4265-9ca4-89b004974829@googlegroups.com> <7deda1bb-58a3-44a9-9f0b-05696bf13854@googlegroups.com> <546874f3$0$2908$426a34cc@news.free.fr> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <75f7bc0f-5a61-4ebc-9e9c-3f840737b315@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: F-22 ADA Programming From: Maciej Sobczak Injection-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:26:51 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:23435 Date: 2014-11-16T14:26:50-08:00 List-Id: > > Because in a safety-critical project it is not the language alone that > > is responsible for the error-free outcome. The whole point of > > re-teaching the graduates is to move out of that "inherently > > error-prone" zone. >=20 > I remind you that well-known example of a teacher John McCormick. The example is well-known, so I happen to know it. ;-) I also happen to tell this story everywhere where I try to promote Ada. But= it does not work. Why? ... > QED=20 ... Perhaps because it says something about the language choice for the stu= dent project (short-term and completely decoupled from anything else that t= he student did or will do later on), but very little about the case of actu= al projects where all possible parameters are completely different, startin= g from "it was not us who started it" and finishing with "and what I will d= o with it after the project ends?". > And we have no reason to think it was the students that changed. Those students are now busy writing C++ or Java in the industry. Statistica= lly, they even like it. This is exactly the point that you got spot on: the students did not change= . :-( --=20 Maciej Sobczak * http://www.msobczak.com * http://www.inspirel.com