From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea5071f634c2ea8b X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Received: by 10.68.0.170 with SMTP id 10mr6519514pbf.2.1322104159016; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:09:19 -0800 (PST) Path: lh20ni11259pbb.0!nntp.google.com!news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!g7g2000vbd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Shark8 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Generic-Package Elaboration Question / Possible GNAT Bug. Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:07:55 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <743e83a1-c442-444b-a25a-da706e9cd0f9@g7g2000vbd.googlegroups.com> References: <7bf9bc32-850a-40c6-9ae2-5254fe220533@f29g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <4295dc09-43de-4557-a095-fc108359f27f@y42g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <3snehoqgs8ia$.1nobjem6g6hx6$.dlg@40tude.net> <128rdz2581345$.c4td19l7qp9z$.dlg@40tude.net> <16ipwvpdavifr$.17bxf7if7f6kh$.dlg@40tude.net> <4ecb78b1$0$6643$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net> <1iofgbqznsviu$.phvidtvxlyj4$.dlg@40tude.net> <4ecbb96e$0$6581$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.230.151.194 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1322104158 23386 127.0.0.1 (24 Nov 2011 03:09:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 03:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g7g2000vbd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.230.151.194; posting-account=lJ3JNwoAAAAQfH3VV9vttJLkThaxtTfC User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-Header-Order: HUALESNKRC X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/8.0,gzip(gfe) Xref: news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:14586 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: 2011-11-23T19:07:55-08:00 List-Id: On Nov 22, 10:23=A0am, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote: > On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:02:06 +0100, Georg Bauhaus wrote: > >>> I think that, with the exception of compiler-determines-all-of-this, > >>> the above is a well known characterization of DbC. > > >> Not really. DbC is about upfront formalized requirements. > > > Not sure, are you speaking about DbC (TM)? > > I don't care about trade marks and definitions given by reference > manuals... Why not; definitions are essential to understanding each other. If someone saying 'hammer' means 'shotgun' then what does "I need a hammer." mean? Now you could argue that the definition is irrelevant in an Ada forum because it's from Eiffel's documentation; but a uniform rejection of all RM definitions is just stupid. > > > (b) A debugging ("design", "specification", bla-bla) aid leading > > =A0 =A0 towards formally proven components where such proofs are possib= le. > > I cannot decipher this, sorry. What it's saying is: "Design By Contract can aid in debugging and in formally proving components for which it is possible to formally prove."