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Subject: Re: C# new features (v.7)
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Le vendredi 16 d=C3=A9cembre 2016 13:43:26 UTC+1, Alejandro R. Mosteo a =C3=
=A9crit=C2=A0:
> On 16/12/16 08:55, Hadrien Grasland wrote:
> > Le jeudi 15 d=C3=A9cembre 2016 13:49:20 UTC+1, Alejandro R. Mosteo a =
=C3=A9crit :
> >> And tasking? Every time I see C++ people fumbling with low-level
> >> semaphores I want to cry. No language (that I know) comes even near Ad=
a
> >> tasks + protected combo. No wonder multithreading is sold as some kind
> >> of miracle when some program uses it properly.
> >
> > To be fair, Ada has no equivalent to C++'s portable atomics either. C++=
 these days is mostly marketed as a low-level infrastructure to build perfo=
rmance-critical libraries in, whereas Ada is more designed like a high-leve=
l end-user solution, and these diverging design goals lead to different des=
ign choices.
>=20
> Yep, C++ is adding tons of useful thing to the standard libs after the=20
> 11/14 iterations. Actually, with the newest versions you can get rid of=
=20
> many bad practices, I'd say it's even very confy to write in. The heavy=
=20
> templating and crypotsyntax however still scare me the moment I have to=
=20
> check library code.

It is quite frustrating, though, how much the C++ commitee favors super-gur=
u features catering to the last 5% performance optimization, such as conste=
xprs, over basic usability improvements like concepts (C++ finally coming c=
lose to understanding Ada 83 generics), modules (C++ compilation finally en=
tering the 21st century), the concurrency TS (finally admitting that C++11 =
futures were a total clusterfsck), ranges (finally freeing people from the =
repetitive and unreadable mess of iterator-based code)...