From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4b06f8f15f01a568 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: norm@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Date: 1998/10/28 Message-ID: <7180u7$j0b@drn.newsguy.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 406069951 References: <712i5t$9i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <3636952F.1FA6206B@cts.com> Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://www.newsguy.com] Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-10-28T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <3636952F.1FA6206B@cts.com>, Dave says... > >I grant you, with exceptionally good and clean >engineering, this should not happen, even in C. >But the world is positively exploding with lousy >programmers SUre, there are bad programmers, but I say the blam all go on the bad MANAGERS. Managers who are managing software projects and who have no software engineering understanding. heck, you even have software managers who never even programmed before in their life, and may be written 2 lines of code. I've been told by my managers a number of times not to spend too much time on analysis and design and to start coding. Managers who do not demand design documents and analysis and functional requirments from their programmers. How many times have you see a manager tell a programmer to show them the design documents they have for the program the programmer is working on? so, yes, the world is full of bad programmers, but it is more full of bad managers. Many software projects will run better without such managers on it. Norm.