From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,INVALID_DATE, MSGID_SHORT,REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site sdcsvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!sdcsvax!davidson From: davidson@sdcsvax.UUCP (Greg Davidson) Newsgroups: net.ai,net.lang.lisp,net.lang.ada Subject: Language criticism Message-ID: <711@sdcsvax.UUCP> Date: Sat, 2-Mar-85 19:23:47 EST Article-I.D.: sdcsvax.711 Posted: Sat Mar 2 19:23:47 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 4-Mar-85 06:50:07 EST References: <417@ssc-vax.UUCP> <676@topaz.ARPA> <6982@watdaisy.UUCP> <3223@utah-cs.UUCP> <7016@watdaisy.UUCP> Reply-To: Greg Davidson Organization: EECS Dept. U.C. San Diego Xref: watmath net.ai:2573 net.lang.lisp:351 net.lang.ada:203 Summary: List-Id: I am getting very tired of opinionated articles from people who don't have expertise and experience backing them up. I have just read a string of articles telling us all why we shouldn't use LISP from people who have only a faint acquaintance with the language. A similar situation is going on in net.lang.c about Modula vs. C. In both cases, the people who are devout adherents of language X think that they have the goods on language Y. I have noticed that expert responses are less and less frequent and assume that the experts are fed up and are unsubscribing from these newsgroups. This is impoverishing us all. The opinions I had about LISP before I had had major experience with the language are laughable. With my exposure to only mainstream languages (FORTRAN, ALGOL, Pascal, etc.) I was unable to understand why anyone should use LISP. After going through a complete turnaround with LISP (and a milder version of the same thing with PROLOG), I will now spare the community the burden of my uninformed opinions. I ask the same of the rest of you. I have read almost no informed criticism of LISP in any of these groups, so if you're thinking ``at least MY opinions are justified'', then you are almost certainly one of the offenders. I will follow up this article with a later one revealing some of the common misconceptions about LISP, but for now I don't want to dilute my point. Before I unsubscribe from the newsgroups that claim to be forums for some of my favorite topics, I intend to kick up a fuss. _Greg