From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c15063243269efcd X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Meet the new GPS...same as the old GPS... References: <1151320748.360707.79490@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <4gag1vF1lgt2gU1@individual.net> <1151343516.598780.72970@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> From: M E Leypold Date: 26 Jun 2006 20:09:27 +0200 Message-ID: <6zodwfokko.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Some cool user agent (SCUG) NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.72.218.245 X-Trace: news.arcor-ip.de 1151344999 88.72.218.245 (26 Jun 2006 20:03:19 +0200) X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor-ip.de Path: g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-out2.kabelfoon.nl!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!bandi.nntp.kabelfoon.nl!195.62.97.14.MISMATCH!newsfeed0.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!news.unit0.net!newsfeed.arcor-ip.de!news.arcor-ip.de!not-for-mail Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:5084 Date: 2006-06-26T20:09:27+02:00 List-Id: randomm@mindless.com writes: > I think GPS is really dreadful. I haven't seen anything as bad in > years. It's more like pre-alpha code. If I were a paying customer I > would be outraged. I find everything to small and fiddly (is that an english word?). GVD was much better if you just wanted to debug something. As far as AdaMode goes: in my opinion a step into the right direction: As a developer I want to see and manage source files in an efficient way. Building everything else around a good text editor makes sense. Still the debugger support is atrocious. In my memory Turbo debugger (and the Turbo IDE) where quite good and efficient. That was 15 to 20 years ago. It speaks volumes that I'm still looking for a debugger which has the ease of use of Turbo Debugger for interactive debugging ... > The main thing I'm hoping to gain from the IDE is build management for > substantial projects. If that's easily done in Emacs, I may forego GPS > entirely. Yes. Use Emacs and Gnatmake if you have pure Ada projects, additionally use (Gnu) make if you also need to generate Ada files from other descriptions. I'm also using Cygwin as a shell enviroment to build on windows (logging in with ssh remotely). I think that is a good way to go. If you need, I can post parts of Makefiles, build scripts, and project files, just ask specifically. > If some of the vendors would make it affordable for one-man development > startups to buy their compiler and IDE, I wouldn't mind purchasing > something. I certainly can't spend thousands of rand at this point. They keyword would be "community support/ shared work". Many small startups can share their efforts to get a useful enviroment going (probably less graphical as IDE is concerned, graphical IDEs come and go and seem mostly for show), but nonetheless useful. And hopefully useable as long as Ada source leaves (which is decades and much longer than Eclipse will be around ...). Regards -- Markus