From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4b06f8f15f01a568 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: "Pat Rogers" Subject: Re: Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Date: 1998/10/09 Message-ID: <6vkuol$fvj$1@uuneo.neosoft.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 399331277 References: <6rf59b$2ud$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6rfra4$rul$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35DBDD24.D003404D@calfp.co.uk> <6sbuod$fra$1@hirame.wwa.com> <904556531.666222@miso.it.uq.edu.au> <6sgror$je8$3@news.indigo.ie> <6sh3qn$9p2$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6simjo$jnh$1@hirame.wwa.com> <35eeea9b.2174586@news.erols.com> <6sjj7n$3rr$1@hirame.wwa.com> <35f055a5.1431187@news.erols.com> <6sjnlu$83l$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6skfs7$2s6$1@hirame.wwa.com> <35F252DD.5187538@earthlink.net> <6t4dge$t8u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6t5mtp$4ho$1@news.indigo.ie> <35FFE58C.5727@ibm.net> <3600E72E.24C93C94@cl.cam.ac.uk> <6ts1q0$vo2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <361DBC60.C153BBAD@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-10-09T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Jay Martin wrote in message <361DBC60.C153BBAD@earthlink.net>... I know (think) you're reporting reasons rather than asseting them, but some cry out for a reponse. >IMO Ada died because: The fly-by-wire Boeing 777 uses a dead language? An OOP language younger than Java (Ada 95) is dead? Granted, Ada isn't the most popular language, but I cannot agree that it is dead. Nobody (credible) said it was supposed to be the last language, or the most widely used. > -- A lot of programmers scoff at anything the miltary does and the > whole defense industry. In fact, defense workers are high tech lepers. Yes, I've heard that. But didn't DARPA found and fund what grew into the Internet? What do these programmers, who no doubt use the Internet all the time, think the 'D' stood for? > -- Ada compilers were late, buggy, slow, too expensive, no libraries, .... That was indeed a problem. Was. Libraries are still an issue, compared to Java. > -- Ada was not C, thus perceived worthless for Unix and Windows. Yup. > -- Mismanagement by the DOD. IMHO this is the big one. DoD has abandoned any pretense of managing their software expenses. Are they not still the biggest customer of software? They wasted a good technology for lack of will, and have released any grip on the controllng development costs. Instead of a comparatively simple policy of "Here's the default language. Use it unless there's a provable cost benefit to using something else on this project.", which was ignored, we now have "Do an analysis to see which language is the best for this project.", which will also be ignored. > -- No hyped technology that it could be piggybacked on. (Like C, Java) Yes. > -- Winning cold war sucked most of the life out of the defense field. Yes again.