From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,88ed72d98e6b3457 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-10-15 13:44:51 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark A. Biggar" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Standard Library Interest? References: <3F7F760E.2020901@comcast.net> <3F8035B0.7080902@noplace.com> <3F816A35.4030108@noplace.com> <3F81FBEC.9010103@noplace.com> <6Ingb.30667$541.13861@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <3F82B4A4.5060301@noplace.com> <3F82F527.3020101@noplace.com> <3F846B5E.9080502@comcast.net> <3F855460.6020804@noplace.com> <3F86211B.103@comcast.net> <3F8640CA.6090306@noplace.com> <3F881515.4060305@noplace.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <6lijb.140205$%h1.139381@sccrnsc02> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.235.88.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1066250690 12.235.88.213 (Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:44:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:44:50 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:44:50 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:920 Date: 2003-10-15T20:44:50+00:00 List-Id: Warren W. Gay VE3WWG wrote: > Marin David Condic wrote: > >> It won't work. It hasn't worked. >> >> If you can at *minimum* get the vendors to give you a nod that says >> "Yes, if such a thing were done under the control of this organization >> and with this sort of license and to some level of acceptable quality, >> we'd get on board and distribute it...", then you've got something. >> They don't have to commit to the library and wouldn't want to until >> they saw the net result. >> >> But if the answer is "No. We will not now, nor will we ever distribute >> a library built by this organization with that license, etc., - not >> unless it is totally rammed down our throats by the end users...", >> then the game is over. > > > IFF you get this kind of answer from some, most or all of the vendors, > then I would agree that you have a "point". But IMHO, this is unlikely > first of all (its not in their interest to go against what the user > base wants), and certainly not a foregone conclusion. Note the "FF" > in "IFF". > > What drives the vendors, is what the "users want". Get them using > your stuff. Get them wanting more of your stuff. IOW, get the users > hooked first (a very time honoured principle). The vendors will > fall in line from there. Demand usually drives business. Only in > creative things like the Segway (sp?) where people didn't know they > wanted one, does it work the other way. But I don't think the > vendors are going to have any kind of a surprise for anyone on > this front. ;-) The other issue that the vendors will have is the support issue. If they distribute it, then they will have to provide some level of support for it, if only training their support people on how to say "distributed as is, we don't support it". And vendor don't like to do that, as it causes "Good Will" problems with their customers. So even if you have the best thing sense Turing machines, some vendors may not distribute it, because they don't see any benefit in the increase in support costs. Anything that isn't in the standard can have this problem. -- mark@biggar.org mark.a.biggar@comcast.net