From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,253505146ffff940 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: "Pat Rogers" Subject: Re: The greatest feature of the language is .... Date: 2000/10/23 Message-ID: <6l%I5.123$n23.22638@nnrp2.sbc.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 684907000 References: <1783411C46BCD21182E20008C7EAA09201A1521E@coeis01nok> <39E3BB29.93C4BFB9@ix.netcom.com> <39F478E2.7CB4B534@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: nnrp2.sbc.net 972325314 208.191.184.67 (Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:21:54 CDT) Organization: SBC Internet Services X-MSMail-Priority: Normal NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:21:54 CDT Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 2000-10-23T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: "Charles Hixson" wrote in message news:39F478E2.7CB4B534@earthlink.net... > Lao Xiao Hai wrote: > > > Pat Rogers wrote: > > > > > I've received a number of adverts from Bertrand Meyer's company > > > offering courses in .NET and associated technology. Apparently he's > > > gotten Eiffel into the mainstream of Microsoft's plans (not as their > > > primary language of course, but as one of many available). Anybody > > > know more about how this works, and how Ada could fit in? > > > > Excellent question, Pat. I discussed this with an ACT attendee at the > > last TOOLS USA conference. As you know, Bertrand is a friend of > > mine and I am active in TOOLS conferences. > > > > Bertrand met Bill Gates at one of the .NET meetings. Gates knew almost > > nothing about Eiffel. After Bertrand described it to him, he was > > impressed > > and it did not take long for Eiffel to become part of the .NET initiative. > > ... > > Richard > > Yes. Eiffel has "joined" the .NET. but it is sufficiently different from > "standard Eiffel" that Bertrand has named it Eiffel*. E.g., multiple > inheritance is used in practically all of the core classes of the Eiffel > library, but it has been removed from Eiffel*. I'm sure this will have > interesting results. I'm not sure that what results will be Eiffel. > > If you want to take part in the .NET program, I think you had best be prepared > to renounce your official standards. At least that was the Eiffel > experience. It has been announced that these features now being removed will > be added back in again later, when the current implementation problems are > solved. Well, ok. I suppose that a subset implementation is quite > legitimate. But be prepared for both extensions and subtractions being > required. Remember, if you want to play his game, then "He who has the gold > makes the rules". At this point I'm just trying to find out what the game really is! So much smoke and mirrors? What?