From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-10 19:18:07 PST Path: archiver1.sj.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!newshub1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au!news1.belrs1.nsw.optushome.com.au.POSTED!not-for-mail From: raj Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl Subject: Re: Beginner's Language? Message-ID: <6dimftcc7cefpqkk12hfvu9e09on0k50r9@4ax.com> References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <9d6b6e$1bt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:14:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.164.144.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@optushome.com.au X-Trace: news1.belrs1.nsw.optushome.com.au 989547287 203.164.144.2 (Fri, 11 May 2001 12:14:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:14:47 EST Organization: @Home Network Xref: archiver1.sj.google.com comp.lang.ada:7374 comp.lang.lisp:9802 comp.lang.smalltalk:9550 comp.lang.functional:5538 comp.lang.scheme:3693 comp.lang.perl:2637 Date: 2001-05-11T02:14:47+00:00 List-Id: >All very heavy, what about Logo? (after all, it was designed for >beginners). I have taught Logo to my children. My experience has been that after a few lessons, they lose interest.... However, I was able to reinterest my 9 year old in programming by using Game Maker by Mark Overmars. Games can be made using drag and drop, but very soon one finds that the "built in programming language " is necessary. He loved being able to creat his own games. However, he has now graduated to Black and White which is a little beyond Game Maker's ability ! Check. http://www.cs.ruu.nl/people/markov/kids/index.html I just noticed that Mark had a program called Drape, a "Visual lego for preschoolers who cannot read" . I havent checked that out yet. Blurb from the site: "Did you always want to design computer games but don't you want to spend a lot of time learning to become a programmer? Then you came to the right place. Game Maker is a program that allows you to make exciting computer games without the need to write a single line of code. Using easy to learn drag-and-drop actions you can make professional looking games in little time. Games with backgrounds, animated graphics, music and sound effects. And once you get more experienced there is a built-in programming language that gives you full flexibility. What is best, Game Maker can be used completely free of charge. And you can use the games you produced in any way you like. You can even sell them!"