From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.236.30.69 with SMTP id j45mr31134600yha.23.1415115548588; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 07:39:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.102.239 with SMTP id w102mr13981qge.28.1415115548569; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 07:39:08 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!u7no2345496qaz.1!news-out.google.com!u5ni17qab.1!nntp.google.com!u7no2345495qaz.1!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 07:39:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1c386f07-6531-4cdb-b588-47c708f9f357@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=50.111.115.132; posting-account=Ies7ywoAAACcdHZMiIRy0M84lcJvfxwg NNTP-Posting-Host: 50.111.115.132 References: <1c386f07-6531-4cdb-b588-47c708f9f357@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6d2d562c-8249-47c8-9cc8-e65e57bcacc7@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: The older you are the stupider you are? From: brbarkstrom@gmail.com Injection-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 15:39:08 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:23018 Date: 2014-11-04T07:39:08-08:00 List-Id: On Monday, November 3, 2014 9:07:09 PM UTC-5, David Botton wrote: > (I try not to cross post to much, so if you saw this on Linked'In sorry) >=20 > I recall as I was getting older that despite a great reputation and fanta= stic portfolio of small to mid size business software projects, the average= client was looking at the grey hairs in my beard and wondering if I was go= ing to be able to code something "innovative" for his business? >=20 > (I often joke that is one of the reasons I became a doctor of oriental me= dicine, in medicine the older I get the wiser I am in the eyes of the patie= nts) >=20 > Ada for small to mid size business consulting actually has the power to b= reak the stereo type. I speak from 12 years of experience using Ada for bus= iness consulting and while Ada is not used in the majority of my projects, = a good number of my projects both desktop and web have been written partly = or entirely in Ada. >=20 > 1) Ada carries with it a prestige. "I am going to code you a system in th= e same language used for Missiles and Fighter planes." - Wow cool >=20 > 2) "You know when you want a system that is going to do exactly what you = want, best if you can read for yourself what I am doing, here have a look a= t this code..." - I can understand that, you make a great point! (I always = make sure to carry some garbage C and JS code.. good luck, the developers t= hat wrote that stuff can't even read it) >=20 > 3) "If you find a developer that codes in Ada you know you have a pro, no= t some kid putting back doors to blackmail you later " - Makes sense >=20 > 4) "I choose the best tool for the job and anyone with my experience leve= l can tell you it is the design not the language that matters and the best = job for your large system is Ada." - You have the experience >=20 > 5) "Ada was once mandated for use because it was a solid design choice by= engineers, not some internet home-brew project like C++ or a Mickey mouse = toy scripting language like Java Script, your project needs power, stabilit= y and a solid 30 year old language reviewed and updated last in 2012" (I be= t you didn't know the mandate was a selling point, huh :) >=20 > Gnoga's framework brings what you need to code for the cloud in Ada faste= r and easier than with current web technologies in any other language and l= ets you leverage the JS frameworks existing to bringing your business apps = the "Sexy" they need to close the deal. >=20 > Ada is the winning choice for Small to Mid Size Business Software. Time i= s coming to let them know it! >=20 > David Botton Another strategy might be to adopt a "good enough for practical application= " strategy without pursuing a "perfect" solution. In this alternative strate= gy, what's needed are tools that provide competitive advantage to small to medi= um sized businesses where Ada should provide some key advantages: 1. Faster development time 2. Lower cost of maintaining the system over lifetimes of one to three yea= rs In this case, it might make sense to choose one of the standard Linux=20 distributions and use their gcc (and related) packages. cgi-bin might work in that case - it has the advantage of being compiled. The key to making= =20 this a successful business strategy is probably going to be standardizing the development framework and selecting appropriate niche markets for start= ing out. It doesn't make sense to compete directly with AdaCore's competitive advantage in life-critical systems. Rather, it will be necessary to demons= trate Ada advantages in agile development, on-time delivery, service guarantees, and lower maintenance cost (over a one to three-year lifecycle). Bruce B.