From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 111d6b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid111d6b,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1094ba,public X-Google-Thread: 10d15b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d15b,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,8775b19e3c68a5dc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public From: "dogmat" Subject: Re: Which language pays most -- C++ vs. Java? Date: 1998/02/10 Message-ID: <6bpnuo$qjk$1@bvbsd2.kc.bv.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 323760576 References: <67et6o$dql@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <67ktrg$ibk@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <883319809snz@genesis.demon.co.uk> <68bt2p$d48@lotho.delphi.com> <34a991f0.2379476@news.diac.com> <68dm0i$brv1@news.fiberlink.net> <01bd198f$4050d960$68c8b5cc@dhite.unicomp.net> <34B71B71.1EFDCAD8@ix.netcom.com> <34B8DC0F.BA0554DB@acm.org> <01bd1ebd$8580b9a0$b2684bc2@xzSys> <34BA520B.534F@mail.state.wi.us> <6alu5l$onm$1@owl.slip.net> <01bd2c2a$69b107a0$9f684bc2@xzSys> <01bd2c45$f7ff6f40$7261b693@HP5079Q> <34DF21B8.717C4B1@stopspamiinet.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Organization: Richard MacDonald Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.fortran,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-02-10T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Cyanide wrote in message <34DF21B8.717C4B1@stopspamiinet.net.au>... >> In engineering, if the programmer writes the application, it'll look >> great >> and be absolutely useless. >> If the engineer writes the application, it'll look like hell, both >> internally and externally, but it will actually be useful. > >Ok, well what do you say to a student like me, who chose to do Software >Engineering as a degree? (hehe) They do go on about this Barry Boeme guy >like he solved this divide 20 years ago... Good for you. Just don't expect to ever understand non-software engineering problem domains. If you want to write software for engineers, you'll need to find an engineer who can speak both engineering and software and work very hard on the requirements specifications (and still don't trust them). In this kind of environment, plan to use prototyping development, so the engineers have a chance to trigger their minds to remember all those "little" things that were so "obvious" they forgot to mention them.