From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1014db,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,8775b19e3c68a5dc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 10d15b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d15b,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 111d6b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid111d6b,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1094ba,public From: Graham Broadbridge Subject: Re: Which language pays most -- C++ vs. Java? Date: 1998/02/10 Message-ID: <6bp6rh$sim$4@peachy.apana.org.au>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 323696140 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <6at330$7uj$1@mainsrv.main.nc.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: The Peachy Linux Node! Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.fortran,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-02-10T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In comp.lang.cobol scott@softbase.com wrote: : coryb@magmacom.com wrote: : > I don't expect programmers to learn engineering anytime soon, but there : > is one big problem I do have with most programmers -- they are ignorant of : > assembly code and the internals of generated code, runtime systems, : > operating systems, etc. : How does it cause problems? You have to ask ? : Over the past 10 years, programming as an activity has : pulled itself up by its bootstraps and has created layers : to manage complexity. One person can't know it *all* anymore, : because there's too much to know. You could write COM objects : in ASM, but it would be ridicuously complex. : As a result, it's stratified. People who know asm and stuff are : writing OSes, components, and stuff. People use these : parts to assemble working systems at a high level. Some of us still are capable of writing Assembler, COBOL, and Java. We may not be the master of all, but sometimes a general working knowledge in all of them is a huge asset when used with specialised knowledge in a couple :-) I for one wish that CS graduates had a better level of the actual machine operations. And this is coming from a 70's IBM 'pull of the street and test for aptitude' programmer :-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Broadbridge Home Marsfield NSW Work Australia AmprNet Netmeeting: peachpitt.apana.org.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------