From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,3e070dca458e63a6 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Received: by 10.224.175.65 with SMTP id w1mr7847218qaz.7.1358638170658; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 15:29:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.49.71.135 with SMTP id v7mr2928221qeu.28.1358638170588; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 15:29:30 -0800 (PST) Path: k2ni675qap.0!nntp.google.com!p13no1515105qai.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 15:29:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2e2c2eb7-cc2a-4a23-9cad-2044c704c460@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.53.16.242; posting-account=cUi90woAAADTaOISowbbHM8GUD0-opJO NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.53.16.242 References: <2e2c2eb7-cc2a-4a23-9cad-2044c704c460@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6b3952b3-9491-4c34-8e1a-6cfdbe950ca7@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Ganssle on Ada From: Patrick Injection-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:29:30 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: 2013-01-19T15:29:30-08:00 List-Id: > > Why do you say so? AdaCore builds all sorts of non-safety-critical > > stuff in Ada. Compilers come to mind. > So do some of our customers. > > > > - Bob I am not trying to make comments about what projects Adacore or their custo= mers are involved in. What I am infuriated about is how Adore is representi= ng the language as a whole. Let's delve further into the comment about not using Ada for a telephone ap= plication. What language comes to mind with such an application. Erlang. Ho= ld this thought..... CouchDB's primary creator made a courageous decision to rewrite his c++ app= lication in Erlang. Now imagine that Erickson made a statement earlier tha= t Erlang should not be used for databases applications. Would he still have= had the confidence to try? Now the fear, uncertainty and doubt(FUD) floating around with Erlang right = now is that it does not scale as advertised and it's concurrency model is n= ot so great. I have no idea if this is true but let's just say there was a project manag= er that did and that he/she went out shopping for another language. They wo= uld want a language that was had facilities for building high performance, = high reliability and massively concurrent applications, sound like a langua= ge we know ????? Only they read that Adacore says Ada is not a good match for this so they m= ove on to the next language. So when I started out with Ada about 14 months ago I had many assumptions t= hat have been corrected. I thought that since it's part of GCC that I could= use it for embedded design and target all the chips GCC supports. Now I un= derstand how complex a job it is to write a runtime and even though I am di= sappointed it can't really be used for embedded design(as in baremetal on A= RM) I forgave Adacore. They have a business to run and if writing runtimes = for lots of targets is not in their best interest, they can't do it. Later on I discovered that they re-licensed a large number of libraries GMG= PL to GPL for non-paying customers. This makes it very hard for a small bus= iness to use them in a for profit applications and surely this was their in= tention but again I forgave them, it must have been in their best interest. However now that I have seen this article and can see them sawing at the br= anch they are sitting on, I have no idea what the top brass is thinking. It= 's very alarming.